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> The user told the hackers to try depositing the stolen tokens without Tether, which the hackers did successfully and they deposited all the addresses into Cur

by er4hn 5y ago

> The user told the hackers to try depositing the stolen tokens without Tether, which the hackers did successfully and they deposited all the addresses into Curve. The hackers then sent the anonymous user about $45,000 worth of ethereum for their help. Best part of the article is how an anonymous person helped the hackers launder their money and got a tip for it.

rhizome 5y ago
Can they cash it out without getting busted?
- l-lousy 5y ago
  They can do the same thing the hackers did and launder it before withdrawing to a new wallet
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  Yes, you can use mixers and coinjoins to launder non centralized crypto. The tip was in etherium, so it shouldn't be an issue to swap to monero, mix, and deposit to an exchange.
  - sp332 5y ago
    I think swapping to monero would be the weak link there. If they do it on a "legit" exchange, it at least makes an attempt to get the client's identity. If they do it directly with someone who has monero to sell, that person gets stuck with "tainted" ethereum.
    - colinmhayes 5y ago
      There are defi(lol) swappers you can use. The hacker was using curve.fi, the tipster was actually telling the hacker why his transaction to curve wasn't going through.
- antondd 5y ago
  Yes, anonymous blockchains like Monero allow you to ‘obfuscate’ the movement of your crypto.
- Bootvis 5y ago
  They just explained what was happening, did they even do something that's illegal?
  - danielvf 5y ago
    The message, "DONT USE YOUR USDT TOKEN YOU VE GOT BLACKLISTED", appears to be knowingly offering how to advice to someone actively committing the crime of hiding stolen money. 18 U.S. Code § 3 defines an "Accessory after the fact" as "Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact." and states that it's worth half the jail time as the primary offense. However, it could also be argued that hanashiro.eth is aiding someone in committing the crime of money laundering, not just helping them avoid being caught, in which case 18 U.S. Code § 2 says that planning, ordering, or knowingly helping commit a crime makes one eligible for the same full full punishment as the primary actor.
    - pcthrowaway 5y ago
      It remains to be tested in court whether a smart contract exploit is illegal, since there's an argument one is simply following the 'letter of the law' aka the contract. edit: this is also something different governments may take a different stance on. If the U.S. finds someone criminally liable, El Salvador may not. Also, it's contentious what the 'location' of the crime even is, as there are no physical servers which have been attacked; could the blockchain as a distributed database be considered to exist 'everywhere' or 'nowhere'?
    - Bootvis 5y ago
      Interesting, thanks!
- paulpauper 5y ago
  45k or 600 m
- kuroguro 5y ago
  I think he sent most of it to some charities that accept eth right away.
  - pcthrowaway 5y ago
    For real? Any source on which ones?
    - kuroguro 5y ago
      https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xf8b5c45c6388c9ee12546061786026aaeaa4b682 https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xf8b5c45c6388c9ee12546061786026a... binance charity and donations to archive.org, etherscan, infura.io, rekt... and Vitalik!
      - rewq4321 5y ago
        To be clear for other skimmers like me, the "helper" who got 45k is donating to various addresses, not the 600m hacker. (Posting this because I misinterpreted, not because parent was wrong)
        sellyme 5y ago
        I was going to say, sending "most" of $600M to organisations like archive.org would be quite a news story.
whywhywhywhy 5y ago
>about $45,000 worth of ethereum for their help it was 13.37 Ethereum https://etherscan.io/tx/0xdf3afc47c7914e06ddb1be19afcd769e558111d353e55273a62c4a96e6a6090f https://etherscan.io/tx/0xdf3afc47c7914e06ddb1be19afcd769e55...
- er4hn 5y ago
  This makes it even better. Thank you for that insight!

by er4hn 5y ago

rhizome 5y ago

Can they cash it out without getting busted?

l-lousy 5y ago
They can do the same thing the hackers did and launder it before withdrawing to a new wallet
colinmhayes 5y ago
Yes, you can use mixers and coinjoins to launder non centralized crypto. The tip was in etherium, so it shouldn't be an issue to swap to monero, mix, and deposit to an exchange.
- sp332 5y ago
  I think swapping to monero would be the weak link there. If they do it on a "legit" exchange, it at least makes an attempt to get the client's identity. If they do it directly with someone who has monero to sell, that person gets stuck with "tainted" ethereum.
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    There are defi(lol) swappers you can use. The hacker was using curve.fi, the tipster was actually telling the hacker why his transaction to curve wasn't going through.
antondd 5y ago
Yes, anonymous blockchains like Monero allow you to ‘obfuscate’ the movement of your crypto.
Bootvis 5y ago
They just explained what was happening, did they even do something that's illegal?
- danielvf 5y ago
  The message, "DONT USE YOUR USDT TOKEN YOU VE GOT BLACKLISTED", appears to be knowingly offering how to advice to someone actively committing the crime of hiding stolen money. 18 U.S. Code § 3 defines an "Accessory after the fact" as "Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact." and states that it's worth half the jail time as the primary offense. However, it could also be argued that hanashiro.eth is aiding someone in committing the crime of money laundering, not just helping them avoid being caught, in which case 18 U.S. Code § 2 says that planning, ordering, or knowingly helping commit a crime makes one eligible for the same full full punishment as the primary actor.
  - pcthrowaway 5y ago
    It remains to be tested in court whether a smart contract exploit is illegal, since there's an argument one is simply following the 'letter of the law' aka the contract. edit: this is also something different governments may take a different stance on. If the U.S. finds someone criminally liable, El Salvador may not. Also, it's contentious what the 'location' of the crime even is, as there are no physical servers which have been attacked; could the blockchain as a distributed database be considered to exist 'everywhere' or 'nowhere'?
  - Bootvis 5y ago
    Interesting, thanks!
paulpauper 5y ago
45k or 600 m
kuroguro 5y ago
I think he sent most of it to some charities that accept eth right away.
- pcthrowaway 5y ago
  For real? Any source on which ones?
  - kuroguro 5y ago
    https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xf8b5c45c6388c9ee12546061786026aaeaa4b682 https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xf8b5c45c6388c9ee12546061786026a... binance charity and donations to archive.org, etherscan, infura.io, rekt... and Vitalik!
    - rewq4321 5y ago
      To be clear for other skimmers like me, the "helper" who got 45k is donating to various addresses, not the 600m hacker. (Posting this because I misinterpreted, not because parent was wrong)
      - sellyme 5y ago
        I was going to say, sending "most" of $600M to organisations like archive.org would be quite a news story.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago

>about $45,000 worth of ethereum for their help it was 13.37 Ethereum https://etherscan.io/tx/0xdf3afc47c7914e06ddb1be19afcd769e558111d353e55273a62c4a96e6a6090f https://etherscan.io/tx/0xdf3afc47c7914e06ddb1be19afcd769e55...

er4hn 5y ago
This makes it even better. Thank you for that insight!