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- Can't publish closed-source apps on their AppCenter. "To ensure reproducible builds, transparency, and auditability, binaries cannot be uploaded or included a

- Can't publish closed-source apps on their AppCenter. "To ensure reproducible builds, transparency, and auditability, binaries cannot be uploaded or included alongside the source code to be installed on users' devices." So that precludes my apps, and probably most other devs I know. I'd guess because of this restriction, their app store is going nowhere as a business. - Their 70/30 split is higher than what Apple currently offers (85/15) for revenue less than 1m (which is going to be everyone on eOS) - While I like macOS, I think it's a shame they chose to (more or less) copy it, rather than try a new direction. But perhaps that would be too risky.

badsectoracula 5y ago
I have used eOS at the past and while from a superficial quick look it looks like a copy of macOS, also having used macOS for a long time i can easily say that it is far from a copy. For all intents and purposes it is doing its own thing.
- tayistay 5y ago
  I installed it at one point. There were so many things they just happened to do the same way as macOS for UX (not the windows way), it just didn't seem very original. I see in V6 they've copied the light/dark mode of macOS and put the setting in roughly the same place, with the same sort of icon. Oh, and it's right above the same set of accent colors on macOS, which also are shown as circles (not squares, or rounded rectangles, or a menu). There's a dock, not a task bar. And the finder windows are laid out roughly the same as some older version of macOS. The left sidebar looks like practically the same icons. App Center is laid out the same way as the Mac App Store. I could go on. (I know that the dev environment is quite different)
  - RichEO 5y ago
    I see a lot of criticism for eOS “copying” the Mac, and yet never see any criticism of Cinnamon for copying Windows. If anything, the Linux community seems to cite it as a strength.
    - tayistay 5y ago
      Never heard of Cinnamon, but if it copies Windows, then that's a shame too.
- zonabey 5y ago
  They seem to be taking more from Apple's take a look at the continuous mission control animations and list view context actions. I honestly don't think these are the best of Apple's stuff. When I think about these features I can't really see why they decided they were important enough to implement. Perhaps they're trying to generate some excitement about the desktop environment I don't know.
onkoe 5y ago
It's insane to me that they're charging anything for their store; that split is actually insane
- tayistay 5y ago
  Yep. Combine that with must-be-open-source, and their platform is practically hostile to the average developer who needs to earn a living.
emersion 5y ago
Not being able to publish closed-source apps is a feature.
- tayistay 5y ago
  Right, a feature which will be very limiting for their store as a business.
  - neilsimp1 5y ago
    But very good for the user, no?
    - tayistay 5y ago
      If a mostly empty store is good for the user, then yes. Definitely a store free of many advanced apps with valuable IP.
    - jwagenet 5y ago
      As a user I am usually disappointed by open source software when paid alternatives exist (adobe CC, games, office, 3d CAD) with few exceptions (blender), so no.
- zaptheimpaler 5y ago
  Programmers have got to be the only people who think giving away hard, creative work for free is the only right way to do things. We all gotta eat and programs take time and expertise to build and maintain. Wouldn’t you like to be able to make a living from something you built rather than having a boss and working for a company where your future will never be in your control? I sure would. If people can pay for literally every other product/service in the world they can pay for programs too. There’s nothing wrong with charging for your labor.
  - Nullabillity 5y ago
    Movies don't tend to be able to spy on you, for one. Nor are they generally expected to be maintained over time.
schmorptron 5y ago
One way to "fix" this IMO would be to allow proprietary apps, but keeping the 30/70 split for those to account for increased monitoring and having them confined by the same flatpak permissions as everything else, and lowering the split to 12/88 for open source apps.
- tayistay 5y ago
  Good idea. Not inline with their extreme stance of calling other OSes, and presumably closed-source, unethical though. "The thoughtful, capable, and ethical replacement for Windows and macOS" It's a bit insulting, really.

badsectoracula 5y ago

I have used eOS at the past and while from a superficial quick look it looks like a copy of macOS, also having used macOS for a long time i can easily say that it is far from a copy. For all intents and purposes it is doing its own thing.

tayistay 5y ago
I installed it at one point. There were so many things they just happened to do the same way as macOS for UX (not the windows way), it just didn't seem very original. I see in V6 they've copied the light/dark mode of macOS and put the setting in roughly the same place, with the same sort of icon. Oh, and it's right above the same set of accent colors on macOS, which also are shown as circles (not squares, or rounded rectangles, or a menu). There's a dock, not a task bar. And the finder windows are laid out roughly the same as some older version of macOS. The left sidebar looks like practically the same icons. App Center is laid out the same way as the Mac App Store. I could go on. (I know that the dev environment is quite different)
- RichEO 5y ago
  I see a lot of criticism for eOS “copying” the Mac, and yet never see any criticism of Cinnamon for copying Windows. If anything, the Linux community seems to cite it as a strength.
  - tayistay 5y ago
    Never heard of Cinnamon, but if it copies Windows, then that's a shame too.
zonabey 5y ago
They seem to be taking more from Apple's take a look at the continuous mission control animations and list view context actions. I honestly don't think these are the best of Apple's stuff. When I think about these features I can't really see why they decided they were important enough to implement. Perhaps they're trying to generate some excitement about the desktop environment I don't know.

onkoe 5y ago

It's insane to me that they're charging anything for their store; that split is actually insane

tayistay 5y ago
Yep. Combine that with must-be-open-source, and their platform is practically hostile to the average developer who needs to earn a living.

emersion 5y ago

Not being able to publish closed-source apps is a feature.

tayistay 5y ago
Right, a feature which will be very limiting for their store as a business.
- neilsimp1 5y ago
  But very good for the user, no?
  - tayistay 5y ago
    If a mostly empty store is good for the user, then yes. Definitely a store free of many advanced apps with valuable IP.
  - jwagenet 5y ago
    As a user I am usually disappointed by open source software when paid alternatives exist (adobe CC, games, office, 3d CAD) with few exceptions (blender), so no.
zaptheimpaler 5y ago
Programmers have got to be the only people who think giving away hard, creative work for free is the only right way to do things. We all gotta eat and programs take time and expertise to build and maintain. Wouldn’t you like to be able to make a living from something you built rather than having a boss and working for a company where your future will never be in your control? I sure would. If people can pay for literally every other product/service in the world they can pay for programs too. There’s nothing wrong with charging for your labor.
- Nullabillity 5y ago
  Movies don't tend to be able to spy on you, for one. Nor are they generally expected to be maintained over time.

schmorptron 5y ago

One way to "fix" this IMO would be to allow proprietary apps, but keeping the 30/70 split for those to account for increased monitoring and having them confined by the same flatpak permissions as everything else, and lowering the split to 12/88 for open source apps.

tayistay 5y ago
Good idea. Not inline with their extreme stance of calling other OSes, and presumably closed-source, unethical though. "The thoughtful, capable, and ethical replacement for Windows and macOS" It's a bit insulting, really.