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Your paranoia about what bad guests can do doesn't excuse the landlord in the article for being a petty douche. Bringing a friend over who has a pet is not a re

Your paranoia about what bad guests can do doesn't excuse the landlord in the article for being a petty douche. Bringing a friend over who has a pet is not a reasonable thing to prohibit, nor is complaining about his daughter coming "a night early". These are the behaviors of a creepy asshole, not a human being.

blankobj 5y ago
It's not paranoia. Illegal parties and large gatherings are a huge problem with Airbnb's. Keep in mind - this article is from the guest perspective, we don't have the hosts perspective. But we have an author who admits to being busted for breaking the rules? Personally, yes, I'd "let it slide" and would not have even broughht it up with the guest. I agree it sounds petty on the host if the author is factual. But my comment is mainly to explain why I have exterior cameras - it's a sad reality that, to be a responsible host, and a good neighbor, I have to have them.
- billytetrud 5y ago
  > we have an author who admits to being busted for breaking the rules? No. If you think the author "admitted" breaking the rules, then we don't agree on how to be a reasonable person while renting someone your property. I don't think anything was in "let it slide" territory. It was in "give benefit of the doubt" territory. It seems pretty clear to me that if what the article said is true, then the author did not in fact break any rules, as others have said to you.
  - blankobj 5y ago
    I don't think that, the author states it. Their words - "busted". A reasonable person would not bring a dog to a property where it was already established that dogs are not welcome. What about "no pets" says you can bring a dog, but just for a small amount of time? It's a built-in rule to Airbnb - hosts choose between allowing pets or not. Guests are shown the rules before booking. A reasonable person would message the host first to ask for permission. I don't bring my dog over to a friends house without first asking for permission. You certainly can bring your dog, but you might not be welcome again.
    - billytetrud 5y ago
      > A reasonable person would not bring a dog to a property where it was already established that dogs are not welcome. I disagree both that the author "brought a dog to the property" and that a reasonable person wouldn't invite a guest with a dog for a few hours. > What about "no pets" says you can bring a dog, but just for a small amount of time? Human reasonableness. Just like like listing says a place can house a specific number of people, it doesn't mean you can't invite more than that number temporarily. The people/animals staying for the night is completely different than guests. That's why.
      - blankobj 5y ago
        > it doesn't mean you can't invite more than that number temporarily We just have a fundamental difference of opinion here :) My own rules explicitly state that I do not allow visitors onto my property (exceptions for service professionals). I also send a reminder to guests within the 48 hour cancellation window on the "no additional guests / no visitors" rule. Insurance doesn't cover them (neither Airbnb nor my STR policy). I have no issues keeping my place booked, and 99% of the guests follow the rules.
        inter_netuser 5y ago
        So if you meet a friend in town, you cannot bring them over to your property for drinks? (the number of guests remains well under 6) Sounds extremely restrictive compared to hotels or short term rentals.
        blankobj 5y ago
        Number of guests below six, I'm really not worried about it. But the number of guests on the reservation should be truthful. It's the situations where a guest brings more than six I am trying to prevent. As a host, being a good neighbor is more important than any single guest reservation. I'll end the stay if there are too many people - because it's such a basic rule and emphasized heavily in my listing. If four cars show up, and two people hop out of each car or you bring a dog? Yeah, we're having a conversation and your stay is likely being ended. At that point, I don't know what else you're going to not follow or damage you might cause. It's not worth keeping a bad guest in a nice place that can't follow clear and concise rules.

blankobj 5y ago

It's not paranoia. Illegal parties and large gatherings are a huge problem with Airbnb's. Keep in mind - this article is from the guest perspective, we don't have the hosts perspective. But we have an author who admits to being busted for breaking the rules? Personally, yes, I'd "let it slide" and would not have even broughht it up with the guest. I agree it sounds petty on the host if the author is factual. But my comment is mainly to explain why I have exterior cameras - it's a sad reality that, to be a responsible host, and a good neighbor, I have to have them.

billytetrud 5y ago
> we have an author who admits to being busted for breaking the rules? No. If you think the author "admitted" breaking the rules, then we don't agree on how to be a reasonable person while renting someone your property. I don't think anything was in "let it slide" territory. It was in "give benefit of the doubt" territory. It seems pretty clear to me that if what the article said is true, then the author did not in fact break any rules, as others have said to you.
- blankobj 5y ago
  I don't think that, the author states it. Their words - "busted". A reasonable person would not bring a dog to a property where it was already established that dogs are not welcome. What about "no pets" says you can bring a dog, but just for a small amount of time? It's a built-in rule to Airbnb - hosts choose between allowing pets or not. Guests are shown the rules before booking. A reasonable person would message the host first to ask for permission. I don't bring my dog over to a friends house without first asking for permission. You certainly can bring your dog, but you might not be welcome again.
  - billytetrud 5y ago
    > A reasonable person would not bring a dog to a property where it was already established that dogs are not welcome. I disagree both that the author "brought a dog to the property" and that a reasonable person wouldn't invite a guest with a dog for a few hours. > What about "no pets" says you can bring a dog, but just for a small amount of time? Human reasonableness. Just like like listing says a place can house a specific number of people, it doesn't mean you can't invite more than that number temporarily. The people/animals staying for the night is completely different than guests. That's why.
    - blankobj 5y ago
      > it doesn't mean you can't invite more than that number temporarily We just have a fundamental difference of opinion here :) My own rules explicitly state that I do not allow visitors onto my property (exceptions for service professionals). I also send a reminder to guests within the 48 hour cancellation window on the "no additional guests / no visitors" rule. Insurance doesn't cover them (neither Airbnb nor my STR policy). I have no issues keeping my place booked, and 99% of the guests follow the rules.
      - inter_netuser 5y ago
        So if you meet a friend in town, you cannot bring them over to your property for drinks? (the number of guests remains well under 6) Sounds extremely restrictive compared to hotels or short term rentals.
        blankobj 5y ago
        Number of guests below six, I'm really not worried about it. But the number of guests on the reservation should be truthful. It's the situations where a guest brings more than six I am trying to prevent. As a host, being a good neighbor is more important than any single guest reservation. I'll end the stay if there are too many people - because it's such a basic rule and emphasized heavily in my listing. If four cars show up, and two people hop out of each car or you bring a dog? Yeah, we're having a conversation and your stay is likely being ended. At that point, I don't know what else you're going to not follow or damage you might cause. It's not worth keeping a bad guest in a nice place that can't follow clear and concise rules.