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If you haven't seen it already, Alex Stamos (former head of Security for FB) has a really incredible Twitter thread on this: https://twitter.com/alexstamos/sta

If you haven't seen it already, Alex Stamos (former head of Security for FB) has a really incredible Twitter thread on this: https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1424054568275439617 https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1424054568275439617

jiggawatts 5y ago
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zionic 5y ago
Wow, he's actually suggesting Apple should build a "trust and safety" team for reporting E2E Encrypted messages containing "hate speech" to directly? Sometimes I forget how messed up Twitter is.
- fsociety 5y ago
  Yes because it’s a mechanism to prevent actual abuse from occurring on their platform and to report offenders directly. When one of the participants of an E2EE conversation reports the convo then the messages would be sent up in a way for Trust and Safety to read the messages and report to the authorities. What is messed up about that? The method of reporting is in the hands of the user, not an ML algorithm. The ML algorithm would prompt the kid to stop and think about what is happening, before actual abuse occurs.. I assure you Stamos is speaking from a place of experience, in having to prevent these kind of things.
  - zionic 5y ago
    My $1000 hardware is my property, not “Apple’s platform”. Also, messaging is a protocol… which is not a platform.
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zug_zug 5y ago
Any discussion that starts with "Here's a graphic account of sexual abuse" is not a real discussion. It's just like trying to start discussing the Patriot act by starting with a recording from a plane on 9/11 (an irrelevant appeal to emotion that is so outsized it interferes with the dispassionate ability to weigh alternatives). For all we know taking away cp from pedophiles makes them more likely to try it in person. Go after the creators.
- frickinLasers 5y ago
  He then suggests a method for going after the creators, i.e people who livestream their abuse over secure connections, or use them to conduct the abuse. It's a far better proposition than assuming everyone is guilty and mass-scanning photo libraries. I was in complete agreement with most Apple-related comments until I saw this group of knee-jerk reactions to a reasonable attempt at discussion. wtf
joshbert 5y ago
What a horrible, horrible take.

jiggawatts 5y ago

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zionic 5y ago

Wow, he's actually suggesting Apple should build a "trust and safety" team for reporting E2E Encrypted messages containing "hate speech" to directly? Sometimes I forget how messed up Twitter is.

fsociety 5y ago
Yes because it’s a mechanism to prevent actual abuse from occurring on their platform and to report offenders directly. When one of the participants of an E2EE conversation reports the convo then the messages would be sent up in a way for Trust and Safety to read the messages and report to the authorities. What is messed up about that? The method of reporting is in the hands of the user, not an ML algorithm. The ML algorithm would prompt the kid to stop and think about what is happening, before actual abuse occurs.. I assure you Stamos is speaking from a place of experience, in having to prevent these kind of things.
- zionic 5y ago
  My $1000 hardware is my property, not “Apple’s platform”. Also, messaging is a protocol… which is not a platform.
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zug_zug 5y ago

Any discussion that starts with "Here's a graphic account of sexual abuse" is not a real discussion. It's just like trying to start discussing the Patriot act by starting with a recording from a plane on 9/11 (an irrelevant appeal to emotion that is so outsized it interferes with the dispassionate ability to weigh alternatives). For all we know taking away cp from pedophiles makes them more likely to try it in person. Go after the creators.

frickinLasers 5y ago
He then suggests a method for going after the creators, i.e people who livestream their abuse over secure connections, or use them to conduct the abuse. It's a far better proposition than assuming everyone is guilty and mass-scanning photo libraries. I was in complete agreement with most Apple-related comments until I saw this group of knee-jerk reactions to a reasonable attempt at discussion. wtf

joshbert 5y ago

What a horrible, horrible take.