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Nope, only for photos in iCloud and destined for upload to iCloud.

roody15 5y ago
yeup wink wink… the scanner will still be there … but Apple promises not to use it for anything else and only with photos going to upload. Wheww that makes me feel better
echelon 5y ago
Apple isn't trustworthy. I bet this stance changes in under five years.
- madmoose 5y ago
  > Apple isn't trustworthy. Why not? They've told you in detail what they're going to do.
  - xvector 5y ago
    > Why not backtracking on promises after buying from them
  - SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
    Lando Calrissian: That wasn't part of the deal! You said the wookiee and Leia would stay under my protection! Darth Vader: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further. [departs in an elevator]
sneak 5y ago
There's no point in clientside scanning, then. The photos in iCloud are already not e2e and are completely readable by Apple (and are regularly turned over to the USG without probable cause or a search warrant).
- yreg 5y ago
  There is a theory that they might want to e2e encrypt iCloud and this was a prerequisite. Maybe it's just wishful thinking though.
  - sneak 5y ago
    Apple has previously attempted to e2e device backups and voluntarily declined to launch the feature (after already doing design/code on it) when the FBI asked them not to (not under any legal compulsion). Apple as a whole organization doesn't care about end user privacy. People claiming such are ignorant of the facts and are repeating Apple's marketing narrative.
    - yreg 5y ago
      Of course Apple cares about privacy to the extent it benefits their business. They are not a data company, for them user data are a liability. Legal compulsion or not, FBI was somehow obviously able to force them to abandon iCloud e2ee and now NCMEC (or whoever) was able to force them to do this.
- bengale 5y ago
  What Apple are saying is they don't want to scan your library in the cloud, or have records of the outcome. There's a lot of process involved in them trying to have as little information about it as possible. https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Technical_Summary.pdf https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni...
post_break 5y ago
For now, Apple hinted at rolling it out to third party apps.

yeup wink wink… the scanner will still be there … but Apple promises not to use it for anything else and only with photos going to upload. Wheww that makes me feel better

echelon 5y ago

Apple isn't trustworthy. I bet this stance changes in under five years.

madmoose 5y ago
> Apple isn't trustworthy. Why not? They've told you in detail what they're going to do.
- xvector 5y ago
  > Why not backtracking on promises after buying from them
- SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
  Lando Calrissian: That wasn't part of the deal! You said the wookiee and Leia would stay under my protection! Darth Vader: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further. [departs in an elevator]

sneak 5y ago

There's no point in clientside scanning, then. The photos in iCloud are already not e2e and are completely readable by Apple (and are regularly turned over to the USG without probable cause or a search warrant).

yreg 5y ago
There is a theory that they might want to e2e encrypt iCloud and this was a prerequisite. Maybe it's just wishful thinking though.
- sneak 5y ago
  Apple has previously attempted to e2e device backups and voluntarily declined to launch the feature (after already doing design/code on it) when the FBI asked them not to (not under any legal compulsion). Apple as a whole organization doesn't care about end user privacy. People claiming such are ignorant of the facts and are repeating Apple's marketing narrative.
  - yreg 5y ago
    Of course Apple cares about privacy to the extent it benefits their business. They are not a data company, for them user data are a liability. Legal compulsion or not, FBI was somehow obviously able to force them to abandon iCloud e2ee and now NCMEC (or whoever) was able to force them to do this.
bengale 5y ago
What Apple are saying is they don't want to scan your library in the cloud, or have records of the outcome. There's a lot of process involved in them trying to have as little information about it as possible. https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Technical_Summary.pdf https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni...

post_break 5y ago

For now, Apple hinted at rolling it out to third party apps.