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25% of all girls (officially). That's not a small minority of criminals, that's a national tragedy. Americans must use every legal and constitutional tool in t

25% of all girls (officially). That's not a small minority of criminals, that's a national tragedy. Americans must use every legal and constitutional tool in their arsenal to fight abuse and protect their children. The numbers make clear that the old rules no longer work. And it's "clearly illegal" because of... what? Because his (unnamed) attorney claims it's a felony? What if a different attorney claims it's perfectly legal? It's just a CSAM detector for content you upload to iCloud. We're willing to shut down schools and shops to save lives but if there's a theoretical .000001% chance that some rando might look at my beach photos, it's suddenly mass-surveillance backdoor China stuff? Come on. We live in a society.

feanaro 5y ago
25% of all girls what?
- deleted 5y ago
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- charbonneau 5y ago
  "About 1 in 4 girls [...] experience child sexual abuse at some point in childhood." https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childsexualabuse/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childsexualabuse/fast...
  - feanaro 5y ago
    How is this general and decontexualised number, with no definition of what is considered "sex abuse", relevant to the matter of scanning for pornographic images on iPhones? You're trying to play to people's emotions by emphasizing the perceived gravity and prevalence of the problem of sex abuse in general, and then trying to use that emotional momentum to argue for something largely unrelated.
latexr 5y ago
> Americans must use every legal and constitutional tool in their arsenal to fight abuse and protect their children. They could start by regulating guns. That would prevent the death, injury, and traumatisation of many children[1]. As a bonus, it would do the same for adults[2]. Or they could deal with the “urgent and preventable crisis” of having 1 in 6 children living in poverty[3]. People in these discussions aren’t against protecting children. Rather, they’re questioning the ulterior motives behind specific policies. If governments and companies could be trusted to keep their promises and not overreach, no one would be batting an eye at the recent Apple announcement. But historically, the inverse has been true: they’re pretty much guaranteed to try to abuse the system. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_... [3]: https://www.childrensdefense.org/policy/resources/soac-2020-child-poverty/ https://www.childrensdefense.org/policy/resources/soac-2020-...
- charbonneau 5y ago
  Please don't use Whataboutism to derail this thread. This discussion is about handling Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM) on iPhones.
  - latexr 5y ago
    > Please don't use Whataboutism to derail this thread. Please take my reply in full. The third paragraph addresses your larger point—consider it in isolation and the argument stands. The first two are there to provide context—they cover the notion that many in power only care to “protect the children” when that slogan helps them reach their own goals. Your posts were downvoted to grey; there’s nothing to “derail”. I’m pointing out to you that the larger discussion isn’t about CSAM, but about the very real possibility that CSAM is being used as an excuse for a stepping stone to a system which will be abused for unrelated matters.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
What part of the constitution gives you the right to surveil the whole world?

feanaro 5y ago

25% of all girls what?

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charbonneau 5y ago
"About 1 in 4 girls [...] experience child sexual abuse at some point in childhood." https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childsexualabuse/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childsexualabuse/fast...
- feanaro 5y ago
  How is this general and decontexualised number, with no definition of what is considered "sex abuse", relevant to the matter of scanning for pornographic images on iPhones? You're trying to play to people's emotions by emphasizing the perceived gravity and prevalence of the problem of sex abuse in general, and then trying to use that emotional momentum to argue for something largely unrelated.

latexr 5y ago

> Americans must use every legal and constitutional tool in their arsenal to fight abuse and protect their children. They could start by regulating guns. That would prevent the death, injury, and traumatisation of many children[1]. As a bonus, it would do the same for adults[2]. Or they could deal with the “urgent and preventable crisis” of having 1 in 6 children living in poverty[3]. People in these discussions aren’t against protecting children. Rather, they’re questioning the ulterior motives behind specific policies. If governments and companies could be trusted to keep their promises and not overreach, no one would be batting an eye at the recent Apple announcement. But historically, the inverse has been true: they’re pretty much guaranteed to try to abuse the system. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_... [3]: https://www.childrensdefense.org/policy/resources/soac-2020-child-poverty/ https://www.childrensdefense.org/policy/resources/soac-2020-...

charbonneau 5y ago
Please don't use Whataboutism to derail this thread. This discussion is about handling Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM) on iPhones.
- latexr 5y ago
  > Please don't use Whataboutism to derail this thread. Please take my reply in full. The third paragraph addresses your larger point—consider it in isolation and the argument stands. The first two are there to provide context—they cover the notion that many in power only care to “protect the children” when that slogan helps them reach their own goals. Your posts were downvoted to grey; there’s nothing to “derail”. I’m pointing out to you that the larger discussion isn’t about CSAM, but about the very real possibility that CSAM is being used as an excuse for a stepping stone to a system which will be abused for unrelated matters.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

What part of the constitution gives you the right to surveil the whole world?