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That’s right let’s ask for the source of the extremely believable claim of only launched in US[0]. But no one sourcing the “China is pressuring Apple to do this

That’s right let’s ask for the source of the extremely believable claim of only launched in US[0]. But no one sourcing the “China is pressuring Apple to do this”. As stated in the article Apple have said it is US only and will be switched on country by country… so surely if this was “BeCAusE ChIna!!!” It’d be switched on there first right? [0] https://9to5mac.com/2021/08/09/apple-csam-faq/?_gl=1*l17q2t*_ga*YW1wLWZQcXhXbVJqRFhBVkdkNFhSX09TNDZvbGQxQllFeERHSkNaZXhXVl9EQ3N4bjJsWXdsdl83NXFVRjR2c3I3RWE https://9to5mac.com/2021/08/09/apple-csam-faq/?_gl=1*l17q2t*....

vineyardmike 5y ago
Well, its actually extremely believable that its launching everywhere that gets iOS 15. And your confidence indicated you had a source ;) > so surely if this was “BeCAusE ChIna!!!” It’d be switched on there first right? Is all of your comments on here arguments?
- onethought 5y ago
  Not at all. But the consistent “China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things” is infuriating. Then when you point out the fallacy of this kind of thinking getting one word: “source” adds to the frustration. Even if it was launched globally it didn’t at all invalidate my point. They would ban the entire App in question, not back door it. See Facebook/Twitter as a well known example.
  - jiocrag 5y ago
    “China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things” Literally no one is saying this. You're getting incredibly sensitive over a regime that just thwarted investigation into a pandemic that has killed more than 1 million people and making irrational arguments to defend it. "hey would ban the entire App in question, not back door it. See Facebook/Twitter as a well known example." Ban *which* app?? The iPhone is not an "app" LOL. It's a hardware device with both software and hardware privacy constraints antithetical to the Chinese government's desire for pervasive surveillance. Apple is gradually shedding its hardcore privacy stance to retain its fastest growing market. It's not difficult to see if you take off your "ANYTHING BAD ABOUT CHINA IS RACIST!!" goggles.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    TLDR: China is bad. This change is probably not because of china, but china will certainly use it. > China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things China (the gov) is evil. > is the reason These pure US companies do bad things The companies are not pure. China certain does things to coerce them them to do bad things that wouldn't otherwise do. Some things are very bad. Some things aren't bad inherently, but are very unlike apple. Examples: [1] Hong Kong app removal [2] iCloud CN being run by another company. > They would ban the entire App in question, not back door it China already does this, except it's a phone not an app. They already monitor in-flight data [3], so likely not a huge concern for them, but considering the monitoring they do, why wouldn't this be a nice perk for them. Personally, i doubt that china required apple to do this since they already get what they want. I'm sure they'll love to (ab)use this though. I'm confident that a government somewhere wants this (new UK/EU anti-e2ee laws?). China can't ban the iPhone, apple actually has that much political power. They are a huge poster child of chinese manufacturing power. Every time a senator asks tim cook to move manufacturing stateside and he says that only china is capable, it pumps china up. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/technology/apple-hong-kong-app.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/technology/apple-hong-kon... [2] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 [3] https://citizenlab.ca/2019/07/cant-picture-this-2-an-analysis-of-wechats-realtime-image-filtering-in-chats/ https://citizenlab.ca/2019/07/cant-picture-this-2-an-analysi...
    - onethought 5y ago
      > Personally, i doubt that china required apple to do this since they already get what they want. Then we agree. That is exactly what I said. Re Chinese gov is evil - ra ra ra. No they aren’t. Well no more than any other country. They just see the world and their place in it differently to you. But they haven’t invaded anyone since Ghengis Khan … yet they’ve been invaded by most of their neighbours and most of the American and European powers. In that context their view and action looks tempered, not evil.
      - jiocrag 5y ago
        “they just see the world and their place in it differently to you.” You’re so right. For instance, the Chinese government sees that nothing of importance happened in Tiananman square in 1989 while the rest of the world sees a massacre.

vineyardmike 5y ago

Well, its actually extremely believable that its launching everywhere that gets iOS 15. And your confidence indicated you had a source ;) > so surely if this was “BeCAusE ChIna!!!” It’d be switched on there first right? Is all of your comments on here arguments?

onethought 5y ago
Not at all. But the consistent “China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things” is infuriating. Then when you point out the fallacy of this kind of thinking getting one word: “source” adds to the frustration. Even if it was launched globally it didn’t at all invalidate my point. They would ban the entire App in question, not back door it. See Facebook/Twitter as a well known example.
- jiocrag 5y ago
  “China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things” Literally no one is saying this. You're getting incredibly sensitive over a regime that just thwarted investigation into a pandemic that has killed more than 1 million people and making irrational arguments to defend it. "hey would ban the entire App in question, not back door it. See Facebook/Twitter as a well known example." Ban *which* app?? The iPhone is not an "app" LOL. It's a hardware device with both software and hardware privacy constraints antithetical to the Chinese government's desire for pervasive surveillance. Apple is gradually shedding its hardcore privacy stance to retain its fastest growing market. It's not difficult to see if you take off your "ANYTHING BAD ABOUT CHINA IS RACIST!!" goggles.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  TLDR: China is bad. This change is probably not because of china, but china will certainly use it. > China are evil, and that is the reason These pure US companies do bad things China (the gov) is evil. > is the reason These pure US companies do bad things The companies are not pure. China certain does things to coerce them them to do bad things that wouldn't otherwise do. Some things are very bad. Some things aren't bad inherently, but are very unlike apple. Examples: [1] Hong Kong app removal [2] iCloud CN being run by another company. > They would ban the entire App in question, not back door it China already does this, except it's a phone not an app. They already monitor in-flight data [3], so likely not a huge concern for them, but considering the monitoring they do, why wouldn't this be a nice perk for them. Personally, i doubt that china required apple to do this since they already get what they want. I'm sure they'll love to (ab)use this though. I'm confident that a government somewhere wants this (new UK/EU anti-e2ee laws?). China can't ban the iPhone, apple actually has that much political power. They are a huge poster child of chinese manufacturing power. Every time a senator asks tim cook to move manufacturing stateside and he says that only china is capable, it pumps china up. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/technology/apple-hong-kong-app.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/technology/apple-hong-kon... [2] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 [3] https://citizenlab.ca/2019/07/cant-picture-this-2-an-analysis-of-wechats-realtime-image-filtering-in-chats/ https://citizenlab.ca/2019/07/cant-picture-this-2-an-analysi...
  - onethought 5y ago
    > Personally, i doubt that china required apple to do this since they already get what they want. Then we agree. That is exactly what I said. Re Chinese gov is evil - ra ra ra. No they aren’t. Well no more than any other country. They just see the world and their place in it differently to you. But they haven’t invaded anyone since Ghengis Khan … yet they’ve been invaded by most of their neighbours and most of the American and European powers. In that context their view and action looks tempered, not evil.
    - jiocrag 5y ago
      “they just see the world and their place in it differently to you.” You’re so right. For instance, the Chinese government sees that nothing of importance happened in Tiananman square in 1989 while the rest of the world sees a massacre.