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Coding Is a Trap. Get Out

6 points by kiyanwang 5y ago

f32jhnjk33jj 5y ago
In big German cities, an average developer only makes 20% more than an average employee. In the last city where I lived in Germany: Average salary for developers: 2950 euro per month after tax Average across all jobs: 2450 euro per month after tax Don't forget, unlike other jobs, developers have to waste their evenings, weekends and vacations to learn new technologies and you will not even be paid fair for that sacrifice.
- caillougris 5y ago
  Average in a (big) city is skewed by other office jobs. Developers are not the only white collars in town.. > developers have to waste their evenings, weekends and vacations to learn new technologies and you will not even be paid fair for that sacrifice You can read tech article at work. Not mandatory to work at home to learn new tech, and if you do, it's up to you to be paid for it: change job to match your news skills.
- anemoiac 5y ago
  I don’t think the experience you describe is universal. Plenty of developers have both reasonable work-life balance and fair compensation (I think?).
draw_down 5y ago
This is so silly
cafard 5y ago
Right. You're definitely better off with a good union job at Bethlehem Steel.
chansiky 5y ago
Honestly, I see a stronger argument for teaching programming like a basic subject, alongside english and math, even if the student has no intention of ever using it. As in everyone really should learn to code, regardless of what it does to the job market. There's a lot of really simple concepts that translate well into real life.
- wokeaf 5y ago
  Hi. Can you elaborate on this? I'm basically an above average learner, as in, just above average, not beyond, so I've always excelled in subjects that don't require a lot of repeated practice or rote learning but always abandoned those which do such as advanced science, math, engineering etc. I love the idea of knowing how to code but I hate the idea of following a disciplined and rigorous approach to learning. This has turned me into an entrepreneur that prefers to leverage and utilize what is available out there instead of inculcating it in myself, which I find to be a waste. However, it does leave me feeling somewhat intellectually unfulfilled, at times. How can I motivate myself to learn to code? What are these simple concepts that may help me in general? Thank you.
redhale 5y ago
Coding is the worst job, except for all the others.

6 points by kiyanwang 5y ago

In big German cities, an average developer only makes 20% more than an average employee. In the last city where I lived in Germany: Average salary for developers: 2950 euro per month after tax Average across all jobs: 2450 euro per month after tax Don't forget, unlike other jobs, developers have to waste their evenings, weekends and vacations to learn new technologies and you will not even be paid fair for that sacrifice.

caillougris 5y ago
Average in a (big) city is skewed by other office jobs. Developers are not the only white collars in town.. > developers have to waste their evenings, weekends and vacations to learn new technologies and you will not even be paid fair for that sacrifice You can read tech article at work. Not mandatory to work at home to learn new tech, and if you do, it's up to you to be paid for it: change job to match your news skills.
anemoiac 5y ago
I don’t think the experience you describe is universal. Plenty of developers have both reasonable work-life balance and fair compensation (I think?).

draw_down 5y ago

This is so silly

cafard 5y ago

Right. You're definitely better off with a good union job at Bethlehem Steel.

chansiky 5y ago

Honestly, I see a stronger argument for teaching programming like a basic subject, alongside english and math, even if the student has no intention of ever using it. As in everyone really should learn to code, regardless of what it does to the job market. There's a lot of really simple concepts that translate well into real life.

wokeaf 5y ago
Hi. Can you elaborate on this? I'm basically an above average learner, as in, just above average, not beyond, so I've always excelled in subjects that don't require a lot of repeated practice or rote learning but always abandoned those which do such as advanced science, math, engineering etc. I love the idea of knowing how to code but I hate the idea of following a disciplined and rigorous approach to learning. This has turned me into an entrepreneur that prefers to leverage and utilize what is available out there instead of inculcating it in myself, which I find to be a waste. However, it does leave me feeling somewhat intellectually unfulfilled, at times. How can I motivate myself to learn to code? What are these simple concepts that may help me in general? Thank you.

redhale 5y ago

Coding is the worst job, except for all the others.