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> It is bound to hurt poorer but smart kids, that can't afford private tutoring and have to rely only on public schools Why should I care about them? The inter

> It is bound to hurt poorer but smart kids, that can't afford private tutoring and have to rely only on public schools Why should I care about them? The internet exists. Let them learn on their own if they’re so interested. Why am I being forced to subsidize people that will just grow to resent me as a leech on society due to my “inferior mathematical ability” as you surely do? Poverty is a far bigger problem than some Virginia schools not teaching Geometry in 8th grade (for the record - I took Algebra in 8th grade and most people in my tiny high school took it in 9th).

FFUUCCKK 5y ago
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google234123 5y ago
Very funny, no one will resent you as a "leech on society due to" your “inferior mathematical ability.” However, if you actually choose to literally leech on society (e.g. choose to be unemployed and uneducated) then people will. Anyway, education exists to educate. If you care about social welfare, talk to the social welfare programs.
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  They absolutely do - they most likely consider people like me to be subhuman entities. It’s not like I have the mental ability to get into the fancy schools or fancy companies they got into.
  - credit_guy 5y ago
    Hold on a second. I want my kids to be good at math. I pay taxes too. Why do you think you are subsidizing me, or my kids?
  - qweqwweqwe-90i 5y ago
    I doubt "these people" (whoever they are) spend 1 second a month thinking about you.
    - rejectedandsad 5y ago
      Of course not. They’re wealthy enough to not have to think about the “help”, or dregs of society. People like me don’t have that luxury so we?
bruce343434 5y ago
Imagine not wanting to live in a country of smarter people in the future just because it costs more taxes now
bllguo 5y ago
> Why should I care about them? We should obviously care about improving education, for the good of society as a whole, for innovation, for pushing the economy forward, etc. It's dumbfounding that this would even be asked, I'm not sure anyone outside of America (i.e. no pervasive anti-intellectual culture) could conceive of a question like this > Why am I being forced to subsidize people that will just grow to resent me as a leech on society due to my “inferior mathematical ability” as you surely do? Why is American society so centered around appearances and perceived judgment? You'd rather damn an entire state to stagnation than risk being looked down upon by some hypothetical elitist? And math is only one of many, many subjects.. I firmly believe everyone is good at something. > Poverty is a far bigger problem than some Virginia schools not teaching Geometry in 8th grade And how is terrible education supposed to help with poverty? Education is a great way, arguably the primary way, that people lift themselves up.
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  Because taking geometry in 8th vs 9th vs 10th grade doesn’t really matter. And given we are otherwise doing just fine, I think stagnation is far more likely to come from somewhere else.
  - akho 5y ago
    I’m sorry, could you give some context to non-Americans? What does “taking geometry” mean? My school had geometry as a subject in grades 7-11 (with 11 being the final year), were you expected to pack it all in one? How does that work?
    - kingaillas 5y ago
      I'd interpret the phrase "taking geometry" in this context to refer to the quality and depth of math education available, and to a lesser degree how wealthy the school district is. Given typical HS math curriculum (algebra/geometry up to calculus) being able to offer geometry early gives enough time to offer calculus; otherwise a school could teach it late and it won't matter because math education stops early anyway. Also connotes to a degree college-track vs non college-track students, again due to the highest math a HS offers. It is extremely desirable to take calculus in HS to prepare for college, but if most students don't go to college, no need to take/offer calculus, no need to start the math sequence early, etc. I went to HS in the US and I remember a split in the math curriculum starting in 10th grade (I didn't go to my HS in 9th grade so I can't say). The vast majority of kids planning on college took a combined algebra 2/trigonometry class in 10th grade; the other kids took either algebra 1, geometry, or algebra 2 (without the trig) depending on previous courses. So the comment "taking geometry in 8th vs 9th vs 10th grade" would mean something like comparing schools for numbers of college-track students and funding (8th grade great - implies a HS with a large body of students going to college, well funded in order to offer variety of classes; 10th grade not good - implies a HS with a small body of students going to college; not well funded, math stops before calculus, etc.)

FFUUCCKK 5y ago

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google234123 5y ago

Very funny, no one will resent you as a "leech on society due to" your “inferior mathematical ability.” However, if you actually choose to literally leech on society (e.g. choose to be unemployed and uneducated) then people will. Anyway, education exists to educate. If you care about social welfare, talk to the social welfare programs.

rejectedandsad 5y ago
They absolutely do - they most likely consider people like me to be subhuman entities. It’s not like I have the mental ability to get into the fancy schools or fancy companies they got into.
- credit_guy 5y ago
  Hold on a second. I want my kids to be good at math. I pay taxes too. Why do you think you are subsidizing me, or my kids?
- qweqwweqwe-90i 5y ago
  I doubt "these people" (whoever they are) spend 1 second a month thinking about you.
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago
    Of course not. They’re wealthy enough to not have to think about the “help”, or dregs of society. People like me don’t have that luxury so we?

bruce343434 5y ago

Imagine not wanting to live in a country of smarter people in the future just because it costs more taxes now

bllguo 5y ago

> Why should I care about them? We should obviously care about improving education, for the good of society as a whole, for innovation, for pushing the economy forward, etc. It's dumbfounding that this would even be asked, I'm not sure anyone outside of America (i.e. no pervasive anti-intellectual culture) could conceive of a question like this > Why am I being forced to subsidize people that will just grow to resent me as a leech on society due to my “inferior mathematical ability” as you surely do? Why is American society so centered around appearances and perceived judgment? You'd rather damn an entire state to stagnation than risk being looked down upon by some hypothetical elitist? And math is only one of many, many subjects.. I firmly believe everyone is good at something. > Poverty is a far bigger problem than some Virginia schools not teaching Geometry in 8th grade And how is terrible education supposed to help with poverty? Education is a great way, arguably the primary way, that people lift themselves up.

rejectedandsad 5y ago
Because taking geometry in 8th vs 9th vs 10th grade doesn’t really matter. And given we are otherwise doing just fine, I think stagnation is far more likely to come from somewhere else.
- akho 5y ago
  I’m sorry, could you give some context to non-Americans? What does “taking geometry” mean? My school had geometry as a subject in grades 7-11 (with 11 being the final year), were you expected to pack it all in one? How does that work?
  - kingaillas 5y ago
    I'd interpret the phrase "taking geometry" in this context to refer to the quality and depth of math education available, and to a lesser degree how wealthy the school district is. Given typical HS math curriculum (algebra/geometry up to calculus) being able to offer geometry early gives enough time to offer calculus; otherwise a school could teach it late and it won't matter because math education stops early anyway. Also connotes to a degree college-track vs non college-track students, again due to the highest math a HS offers. It is extremely desirable to take calculus in HS to prepare for college, but if most students don't go to college, no need to take/offer calculus, no need to start the math sequence early, etc. I went to HS in the US and I remember a split in the math curriculum starting in 10th grade (I didn't go to my HS in 9th grade so I can't say). The vast majority of kids planning on college took a combined algebra 2/trigonometry class in 10th grade; the other kids took either algebra 1, geometry, or algebra 2 (without the trig) depending on previous courses. So the comment "taking geometry in 8th vs 9th vs 10th grade" would mean something like comparing schools for numbers of college-track students and funding (8th grade great - implies a HS with a large body of students going to college, well funded in order to offer variety of classes; 10th grade not good - implies a HS with a small body of students going to college; not well funded, math stops before calculus, etc.)