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You can remove the speaker from airtags. https://mashtips.com/remove-airtag-speaker/ https://mashtips.com/remove-airtag-speaker/

by ds 5y ago

neolog 5y ago
Apple should fix that to reduce the risk of stalking and surveillance.
- _nalply 5y ago
  There are two conflicting interests: a. The owner wants to find stolen or lost things b. Nobody wants to be tagged (privacy, being stalked, &c) If people being stalked are allowed to discover Airtags, thiefs also can discover them. A conundrum. Additionally, what about Deaf people being stalked? They can't hear the Airtags. This is an example where they are discriminated by technology.
  - neolog 5y ago
    > a. The owner wants to find stolen or lost things If the item is simply lost, removal of the speaker is not desired, so that should go in (b). If the item is stolen, how long do you need to track it before you report it to the police? For me it would be less than 3 days, when the alarm starts beeping. So removal isn't helpful there either. Apple should make it nonremovable.
    - _nalply 5y ago
      > If the item is simply lost, removal of the speaker is not desired, so that should go in (b). Stimmt! You are right. When someone lost the thing there's no conflict of interest. > Apple should make it nonremovable. If Apple was my own company I also would make it nonremovable because I wouldn't want to be held responsible for enabling stalking. Edit: I misunderstood parent first.
  - neolog 5y ago
    > Additionally, what about Deaf people being stalked? They can't hear the Airtags. I'm curious do you think strangers would notify you if an AirTag was beeping in your bag and you didn't notice, or would you have to rely on trusted people?
    - _nalply 5y ago
      If I had to use Airtags I would ask my eight-year old son. Random people usually hesitate to notify because first they think this is not my problem and second if they decide to do something but I don't understand immediately they give up communicating the situation to me. Imagine you hearing an Airtag beeping and I ignoring it, and you don't know I am deaf. Even if you muster up the courage to broach the subject to me I might react not the way you expect and you think to yourself it's not worth it.
      - fckthisguy 5y ago
        What's more, the person with the AirTag beeping may well know it's beeping an just be ignoring it. That's what I would assume is the case if I saw this. I see people with Bird scooters beeping at them for being moved without being unlocked (on the train for example).
_nalply 5y ago
However the thiefs still can identify airtags with an iPhone. From the article mentioned in parent: «At the worst, if they have iPhone 11, 12, or newer iPhones, it will be easier for them to easily locate the AirTag using precision finding even if you did mute Apple AirTag.»
- Kinrany 5y ago
  Can the airtags identify the iphone?

You can remove the speaker from airtags. https://mashtips.com/remove-airtag-speaker/ https://mashtips.com/remove-airtag-speaker/

by ds 5y ago

You can remove the speaker from airtags. https://mashtips.com/remove-airtag-speaker/ https://mashtips.com/remove-airtag-speaker/

neolog 5y ago

Apple should fix that to reduce the risk of stalking and surveillance.

_nalply 5y ago
There are two conflicting interests: a. The owner wants to find stolen or lost things b. Nobody wants to be tagged (privacy, being stalked, &c) If people being stalked are allowed to discover Airtags, thiefs also can discover them. A conundrum. Additionally, what about Deaf people being stalked? They can't hear the Airtags. This is an example where they are discriminated by technology.
- neolog 5y ago
  > a. The owner wants to find stolen or lost things If the item is simply lost, removal of the speaker is not desired, so that should go in (b). If the item is stolen, how long do you need to track it before you report it to the police? For me it would be less than 3 days, when the alarm starts beeping. So removal isn't helpful there either. Apple should make it nonremovable.
  - _nalply 5y ago
    > If the item is simply lost, removal of the speaker is not desired, so that should go in (b). Stimmt! You are right. When someone lost the thing there's no conflict of interest. > Apple should make it nonremovable. If Apple was my own company I also would make it nonremovable because I wouldn't want to be held responsible for enabling stalking. Edit: I misunderstood parent first.
- neolog 5y ago
  > Additionally, what about Deaf people being stalked? They can't hear the Airtags. I'm curious do you think strangers would notify you if an AirTag was beeping in your bag and you didn't notice, or would you have to rely on trusted people?
  - _nalply 5y ago
    If I had to use Airtags I would ask my eight-year old son. Random people usually hesitate to notify because first they think this is not my problem and second if they decide to do something but I don't understand immediately they give up communicating the situation to me. Imagine you hearing an Airtag beeping and I ignoring it, and you don't know I am deaf. Even if you muster up the courage to broach the subject to me I might react not the way you expect and you think to yourself it's not worth it.
    - fckthisguy 5y ago
      What's more, the person with the AirTag beeping may well know it's beeping an just be ignoring it. That's what I would assume is the case if I saw this. I see people with Bird scooters beeping at them for being moved without being unlocked (on the train for example).

_nalply 5y ago

However the thiefs still can identify airtags with an iPhone. From the article mentioned in parent: «At the worst, if they have iPhone 11, 12, or newer iPhones, it will be easier for them to easily locate the AirTag using precision finding even if you did mute Apple AirTag.»

Kinrany 5y ago
Can the airtags identify the iphone?