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>Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. For me it seems that latest changes do not change anyth

>Some have speculated that with the introduction of the PSI/CSAM system Apple will enable E2EE backups. For me it seems that latest changes do not change anything, FBI will still object with the same reasons as in the past, because they will have a legal obtained warrant and they need the user backups/phone content. I do not see Apple fighting this in courts especially now when they also have a big fight vs Epic and a fight vs right to repair.

heavyset_go 5y ago
> I do not see Apple fighting this in courts especially now when they also have a big fight vs Epic and a fight vs right to repair. Apple already gives up data on tens of thousands of users and accounts each year in response on requests from governments. Apple keeps statistics about those data requests here[1]. For reference, Apple gave data on over 31,000 users/accounts based on FISA requests and National Security Letter requests in the first half of 2020 alone[1]. During that same period, Apple provided data to the government's requests (non-FISA or NSL) about 9,000 times, and responded to requests for data with the data about ~85% of the time, and 92% in cases of "emergencies"[1]. [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html
- simion314 5y ago
  Yes, so I do not see Apple implementing true end to end encryption and telling to the FBI/NSA to fuck off. The fact that Apple can catch some CP now won't convince the government or some judges that is fine to stop the collaboration. In fact I can see it more likely that in secret or with a judge approval new hashes would be added into the secret database(maybe someone leaked some stuff to the press and some gov want to catch the involved people)
  - shmoe 5y ago
    Just fyi the new acronym CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material) is much more fitting.. CP just makes it seem like dudes getting off on pictures and not evidence of a crime having taken place which is how I had it explained to me.
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      Apparently a lot of the CSAM on Tumblr were Snapchat selfies.
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      So CP is cancelled now? We all know what it means, good grief.
      - shmoe 5y ago
        I'm sorry it offends you, but if you listen to a decent explanation it makes much better sense. There's more to it than printed material (definition of pornography). It's photographic evidence of a crime scene.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
This is like giving into terrorists. FBI/NSA/local cops won't be happy until they have software regularly scanning everything on your computer for "criminal" activity and uploading it for them to review and add to your "social score" much like China is already implementing. I wouldn't be shocked if this wasn't built in anticipation of China cranking down the thumb screws and Apple wants to be able easily comply with spying on citizens in those nations whose government desires to do that.

heavyset_go 5y ago

> I do not see Apple fighting this in courts especially now when they also have a big fight vs Epic and a fight vs right to repair. Apple already gives up data on tens of thousands of users and accounts each year in response on requests from governments. Apple keeps statistics about those data requests here[1]. For reference, Apple gave data on over 31,000 users/accounts based on FISA requests and National Security Letter requests in the first half of 2020 alone[1]. During that same period, Apple provided data to the government's requests (non-FISA or NSL) about 9,000 times, and responded to requests for data with the data about ~85% of the time, and 92% in cases of "emergencies"[1]. [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html

simion314 5y ago
Yes, so I do not see Apple implementing true end to end encryption and telling to the FBI/NSA to fuck off. The fact that Apple can catch some CP now won't convince the government or some judges that is fine to stop the collaboration. In fact I can see it more likely that in secret or with a judge approval new hashes would be added into the secret database(maybe someone leaked some stuff to the press and some gov want to catch the involved people)
- shmoe 5y ago
  Just fyi the new acronym CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material) is much more fitting.. CP just makes it seem like dudes getting off on pictures and not evidence of a crime having taken place which is how I had it explained to me.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    Apparently a lot of the CSAM on Tumblr were Snapchat selfies.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    So CP is cancelled now? We all know what it means, good grief.
    - shmoe 5y ago
      I'm sorry it offends you, but if you listen to a decent explanation it makes much better sense. There's more to it than printed material (definition of pornography). It's photographic evidence of a crime scene.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

This is like giving into terrorists. FBI/NSA/local cops won't be happy until they have software regularly scanning everything on your computer for "criminal" activity and uploading it for them to review and add to your "social score" much like China is already implementing. I wouldn't be shocked if this wasn't built in anticipation of China cranking down the thumb screws and Apple wants to be able easily comply with spying on citizens in those nations whose government desires to do that.