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I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and in

I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and instead, just stick with Linux.

busymom0 5y ago
I am an app developer who was thinking of upgrading to the next M1 Mac mini coming out later this year. For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. However after this whole privacy debacle, I have started looking into Hackintosh and whether I can build one to for building my apps. If anyone has experience with developing for iOS/MacOS on hackintosh, please let me know your experience.
- gogopuppygogo 5y ago
  You can build one. Lots of guides out there and compatibility lists for components. It’s going to be a science project though with only community support for an adversarial operating system. If you plan to use it for work then buy a Mac. It’s a tool for a job.
  - beepboop43 5y ago
    running it virtually is also an option. I run macos in virtualbox for the times I need it (for me that's not daily) and have no issues with it
    - busymom0 5y ago
      Do you know if Xcode can run+build+submit apps on VM?
      - h4waii 5y ago
        If by chance you're doing React Native, Expo has a cloud build service I can highly recommend. There might be other build services for different languages.
- techrat 5y ago
  The privacy issues with apple pretty much lie within their software. Going hackintosh isn't going to move you further away from the issues you have.
  - busymom0 5y ago
    I don't particularly need macOS for anything else except the app development work. Other stuff, I can get done on Ubuntu. I am looking into whether I can run MacOS in a VM on Ubuntu.
    - valparaiso 5y ago
      You can run macOS in VM on any Windows laptop/PC. Are you really a developer?
    - Synaesthesia 5y ago
      Hackintosh is pretty easy to do if you have compatible hardware.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  > For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. How would going to a hackintosh and loading on the Apple software you are skeptical of help you?
  - busymom0 5y ago
    Mostly because I don't particularly need macOS for anything else except the app development work. Other stuff, I can get done on Ubuntu. I am looking into whether I can run MacOS in a VM on Ubuntu.
    - lostlogin 5y ago
      I do it in a VM in Esxi. It’s just for some minor chores so doesn’t need to have any performance, but it’s good.
- Klonoar 5y ago
  It would be arguably cheaper and more powerful to just buy an M1 Mini and shove it under your desk, then SSH onto it or whatever. With a Hackintosh, ask yourself if you really value your time. Couple hundred bucks for an M1 Mini feels very cheap in comparison.
- gary17the 5y ago
  > please let me know your experience You can run Linux as a host, macOS as a guest[1] under QEMU, buy a second GPU that is supported by Apple (e.g., Sapphire Radeon RX 580 Pulse 4GB) and pass that GPU in its entirety to the guest macOS. The same for one of the USB controllers on your motherboard. Effectively, you get native macOS performance under Linux. A bonus: you can use the iptables firewall with the FORWARD ruleset to control guest macOS network access. The overall setup process is involving, but nothing that an intermediate Linux user would not be able to handle. Please note that it might be actually illegal (?) in some (?) countries to run macOS software on non-Apple hardware. [1] https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
- 88840-8855 5y ago
  I would switch away if there was a good alternative with 1) nice design, 2) great UI, 3) nice UX, 4) good service. But unfortunately, there is nothing out there that "just works". And how can anything exist if Apple has the size of a small nation.
- the8472 5y ago
  Note that by doing app development you keep feeding the monster.
mightybyte 5y ago
I had already decided to switch back to Linux. I was planning on continuing to use an iPhone but after the news stories of the past week I might even ditch the iPhone too.
paxys 5y ago
I picked the perfect time to order a Framework laptop. Really hoping it holds up.
- buildbot 5y ago
  I just placed a preorder due to this as well - I wasn't going too, but then I felt worried that my Monterey Beta might start scanning photos I was using for an ML project. I'm 99.999% percent positive there's nothing to worry about, but imagenet did have CSAM in it, so you can't be too careful. Really excited to build my own expansion cards. There's really affordable full SMD assembly these days from places like easyeda.
h4x0r12345 5y ago
Linux is coming to the M1. We need to sponsor this project https://asahilinux.org https://asahilinux.org
- YokoSix 5y ago
  Great project. I‘d love to use Linux on a M1 and hope the developer makes it happen. Even adore the name.
- z77dj3kl 5y ago
  You can't even use Linux on Intel Macs properly, no chance it'll work on the M1 anytime soon. The kernel might boot in some form, but last time I checked, even the SSD wasn't working on Intel Macs under Linux.
  - h4x0r12345 5y ago
    https://t2linux.org https://t2linux.org It runs well if you have the time, patience and expertise. There's no fundamental technical barriers. It's purely a matter of enough development resources being committed to the project. I think Apples recent moves would motivate more developers to work on it.

I was patiently waiting for the M1 16in MacBook Pro to come out. After reading all these revelations, I am now considering not buying the new MacBook Pro and instead, just stick with Linux.

busymom0 5y ago

I am an app developer who was thinking of upgrading to the next M1 Mac mini coming out later this year. For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. However after this whole privacy debacle, I have started looking into Hackintosh and whether I can build one to for building my apps. If anyone has experience with developing for iOS/MacOS on hackintosh, please let me know your experience.

gogopuppygogo 5y ago
You can build one. Lots of guides out there and compatibility lists for components. It’s going to be a science project though with only community support for an adversarial operating system. If you plan to use it for work then buy a Mac. It’s a tool for a job.
- beepboop43 5y ago
  running it virtually is also an option. I run macos in virtualbox for the times I need it (for me that's not daily) and have no issues with it
  - busymom0 5y ago
    Do you know if Xcode can run+build+submit apps on VM?
    - h4waii 5y ago
      If by chance you're doing React Native, Expo has a cloud build service I can highly recommend. There might be other build services for different languages.
techrat 5y ago
The privacy issues with apple pretty much lie within their software. Going hackintosh isn't going to move you further away from the issues you have.
- busymom0 5y ago
  I don't particularly need macOS for anything else except the app development work. Other stuff, I can get done on Ubuntu. I am looking into whether I can run MacOS in a VM on Ubuntu.
  - valparaiso 5y ago
    You can run macOS in VM on any Windows laptop/PC. Are you really a developer?
  - Synaesthesia 5y ago
    Hackintosh is pretty easy to do if you have compatible hardware.
lostlogin 5y ago
> For my work, I pretty much need an Apple hardware. How would going to a hackintosh and loading on the Apple software you are skeptical of help you?
- busymom0 5y ago
  Mostly because I don't particularly need macOS for anything else except the app development work. Other stuff, I can get done on Ubuntu. I am looking into whether I can run MacOS in a VM on Ubuntu.
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    I do it in a VM in Esxi. It’s just for some minor chores so doesn’t need to have any performance, but it’s good.
Klonoar 5y ago
It would be arguably cheaper and more powerful to just buy an M1 Mini and shove it under your desk, then SSH onto it or whatever. With a Hackintosh, ask yourself if you really value your time. Couple hundred bucks for an M1 Mini feels very cheap in comparison.
gary17the 5y ago
> please let me know your experience You can run Linux as a host, macOS as a guest[1] under QEMU, buy a second GPU that is supported by Apple (e.g., Sapphire Radeon RX 580 Pulse 4GB) and pass that GPU in its entirety to the guest macOS. The same for one of the USB controllers on your motherboard. Effectively, you get native macOS performance under Linux. A bonus: you can use the iptables firewall with the FORWARD ruleset to control guest macOS network access. The overall setup process is involving, but nothing that an intermediate Linux user would not be able to handle. Please note that it might be actually illegal (?) in some (?) countries to run macOS software on non-Apple hardware. [1] https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
88840-8855 5y ago
I would switch away if there was a good alternative with 1) nice design, 2) great UI, 3) nice UX, 4) good service. But unfortunately, there is nothing out there that "just works". And how can anything exist if Apple has the size of a small nation.
the8472 5y ago
Note that by doing app development you keep feeding the monster.

mightybyte 5y ago

I had already decided to switch back to Linux. I was planning on continuing to use an iPhone but after the news stories of the past week I might even ditch the iPhone too.

paxys 5y ago

I picked the perfect time to order a Framework laptop. Really hoping it holds up.

buildbot 5y ago
I just placed a preorder due to this as well - I wasn't going too, but then I felt worried that my Monterey Beta might start scanning photos I was using for an ML project. I'm 99.999% percent positive there's nothing to worry about, but imagenet did have CSAM in it, so you can't be too careful. Really excited to build my own expansion cards. There's really affordable full SMD assembly these days from places like easyeda.

h4x0r12345 5y ago

Linux is coming to the M1. We need to sponsor this project https://asahilinux.org https://asahilinux.org

YokoSix 5y ago
Great project. I‘d love to use Linux on a M1 and hope the developer makes it happen. Even adore the name.
z77dj3kl 5y ago
You can't even use Linux on Intel Macs properly, no chance it'll work on the M1 anytime soon. The kernel might boot in some form, but last time I checked, even the SSD wasn't working on Intel Macs under Linux.
- h4x0r12345 5y ago
  https://t2linux.org https://t2linux.org It runs well if you have the time, patience and expertise. There's no fundamental technical barriers. It's purely a matter of enough development resources being committed to the project. I think Apples recent moves would motivate more developers to work on it.