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Non-GMO still uses herbicides. Glyphosate is comparatively very safe [0] [0] https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate https://www.epa

Non-GMO still uses herbicides. Glyphosate is comparatively very safe [0] [0] https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyp...

ComputerGuru 5y ago
Glyphosate and aspartame are probably two of the most vigorously studied compounds in the world.
- Shorel 5y ago
  Lobbied. That research money is not free.
  - gruez 5y ago
    Are you also against the covid vaccine because the trials were funded by the vaccine makers?
    - pacija 5y ago
      Yes
dec0dedab0de 5y ago
Just ignore the lymphoma
- valec 5y ago
  glyphosate is safe. on it's own it's not carcinogenic. however, the supporting ingredients and solvents are very carcinogenic.
  - blix 5y ago
    Glyphosate has demonstrated a very significant potential to impact gut microbiome. Imbalance in the gut biota has been linked to an extraordinary number of negative health conditions, including many cancers as well as modern epidemics such as obesity, depression and auto-immune illness. For example, glyphosate has been specifically linked to Celiac's, which is increasing significantly in prevalence. I don't know if I'd be so quick to call it 'safe.' It requires an infinite number of experiments to prove any chemical is perfectly safe. It requires only a few to demonstrate the opposite.
    - bserge 5y ago
      Bad public transportation is also linked to depression. Nothing's safe lol
      - Inate_Hikkers 5y ago
        https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859926579836354604/874784806871891968/rootcauses_2.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859926579836354604/87...
- ekianjo 5y ago
  you trust safety based on headlines?
- SquareWheel 5y ago
  The EU just released an 11,000 page report on that topic. Their findings contradict your four word comment. https://ec.europa.eu/food/system/files/2021-06/pesticides_aas_agg_report_202106.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/food/system/files/2021-06/pesticides_aa...
  - josefx 5y ago
    "Their" being the "Glyphosate Renewal Group", which requested the renewal and had to present studies that covered its safety. To sum those 11,000 pages up: the GRG investigated itself and found no problems, the EU trusts that these findings are accurate.
efficax 5y ago
Whether glyphosate causes cancer or not, there is much less doubt that it has a harmful impact on insect populations and on aquatic wildlife from runoff. Hundreds of thousands of tons of glyphosate soaking into the ground and into the water table, reaching our rivers and lakes, year after year. How can it be safe?
- colechristensen 5y ago
  Glyphosphate has a pretty short persistence in the environment. It breaks down relatively quickly. It has a half-life in the environment from as little as 15 days to a couple of months. One of the significant problems with earlier pesticides and herbicides where the chemical in question would stay in the environment for decades (DDT, an insecticide, had a half life of 10-15 years and tended to accumulate in biological tissues). Glyphosphate is also not very acutely toxic. I would have to eat an entire pound of pure glyphosphate to have a 50% chance of survival. (I consume many things every day much more toxic) There are some questions about long term carcinogens but the signal there is not particularly strong. As opposed to some other, especially older agricultural chemicals, many of which got their start as actual chemical weapons used in war.
  - maxerickson 5y ago
    Can you get pure glyphosate? Is that what gets spread on crops? I'm glad we are using it and not older chemicals, but unless you are actually in the habit of eating it recreationally, maybe don't use that example.
    - colechristensen 5y ago
      I believe you have to do some minor training and get a like certification, but yes, it comes in about a fifty percent concentrated solution with water. The LD50 of that solution is about a quart as far as I can determine. The point of the example is that it is not acutely toxic unless you ingest a sizable amount while dealing with concentrations only available to certified farmers. The lethal amounts come up to around how much you would apply to half an acre of cropland. Glyphosphate is also biodegradable.

ComputerGuru 5y ago

Glyphosate and aspartame are probably two of the most vigorously studied compounds in the world.

Shorel 5y ago
Lobbied. That research money is not free.
- gruez 5y ago
  Are you also against the covid vaccine because the trials were funded by the vaccine makers?
  - pacija 5y ago
    Yes

dec0dedab0de 5y ago

Just ignore the lymphoma

valec 5y ago
glyphosate is safe. on it's own it's not carcinogenic. however, the supporting ingredients and solvents are very carcinogenic.
- blix 5y ago
  Glyphosate has demonstrated a very significant potential to impact gut microbiome. Imbalance in the gut biota has been linked to an extraordinary number of negative health conditions, including many cancers as well as modern epidemics such as obesity, depression and auto-immune illness. For example, glyphosate has been specifically linked to Celiac's, which is increasing significantly in prevalence. I don't know if I'd be so quick to call it 'safe.' It requires an infinite number of experiments to prove any chemical is perfectly safe. It requires only a few to demonstrate the opposite.
  - bserge 5y ago
    Bad public transportation is also linked to depression. Nothing's safe lol
    - Inate_Hikkers 5y ago
      https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859926579836354604/874784806871891968/rootcauses_2.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859926579836354604/87...
ekianjo 5y ago
you trust safety based on headlines?
SquareWheel 5y ago
The EU just released an 11,000 page report on that topic. Their findings contradict your four word comment. https://ec.europa.eu/food/system/files/2021-06/pesticides_aas_agg_report_202106.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/food/system/files/2021-06/pesticides_aa...
- josefx 5y ago
  "Their" being the "Glyphosate Renewal Group", which requested the renewal and had to present studies that covered its safety. To sum those 11,000 pages up: the GRG investigated itself and found no problems, the EU trusts that these findings are accurate.

efficax 5y ago

Whether glyphosate causes cancer or not, there is much less doubt that it has a harmful impact on insect populations and on aquatic wildlife from runoff. Hundreds of thousands of tons of glyphosate soaking into the ground and into the water table, reaching our rivers and lakes, year after year. How can it be safe?

colechristensen 5y ago
Glyphosphate has a pretty short persistence in the environment. It breaks down relatively quickly. It has a half-life in the environment from as little as 15 days to a couple of months. One of the significant problems with earlier pesticides and herbicides where the chemical in question would stay in the environment for decades (DDT, an insecticide, had a half life of 10-15 years and tended to accumulate in biological tissues). Glyphosphate is also not very acutely toxic. I would have to eat an entire pound of pure glyphosphate to have a 50% chance of survival. (I consume many things every day much more toxic) There are some questions about long term carcinogens but the signal there is not particularly strong. As opposed to some other, especially older agricultural chemicals, many of which got their start as actual chemical weapons used in war.
- maxerickson 5y ago
  Can you get pure glyphosate? Is that what gets spread on crops? I'm glad we are using it and not older chemicals, but unless you are actually in the habit of eating it recreationally, maybe don't use that example.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    I believe you have to do some minor training and get a like certification, but yes, it comes in about a fifty percent concentrated solution with water. The LD50 of that solution is about a quart as far as I can determine. The point of the example is that it is not acutely toxic unless you ingest a sizable amount while dealing with concentrations only available to certified farmers. The lethal amounts come up to around how much you would apply to half an acre of cropland. Glyphosphate is also biodegradable.