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> Finding actual CSAM (and not just any kind of pornography involving minors, hence the shift in terminology) is supposedly directly tied to finding child abuse

> Finding actual CSAM (and not just any kind of pornography involving minors, hence the shift in terminology) is supposedly directly tied to finding child abusers, thus preventing future child abuse from taking place. NCMEC and similar groups call all pornography involving minors CSAM.[1] And this system can't detect new CSAM. > Another thing that nobody seems to talk about is that Apple doesn't want to be held liable for CSAM stored on their servers, either. Many people said they would prefer server side scanning. Other people argued E2E encryption would shield Apple from liability. [1] https://www.missingkids.org/theissues/csam https://www.missingkids.org/theissues/csam

HPsquared 5y ago
Since the system can't detect new CSAM, doesn't it actually incentivize the production of new material? This mechanism could then actually increase the amount of abuse going on.
- candiodari 5y ago
  That's just one more argument to the fire: the intent here is not to protect children. The intent is to scan everybody for things "to be determined", and not subject to public scrutiny. Europe is not immune to this. Jose Manuel Barrosso, the ex-EU-commission-president used to be a member of a communist revolutionary student group ... that has murdered people. He was present at at least three such killings, and it is not clear if "present" is where it stops, but obviously he was never convicted of murder (he was, of other things). When he came to office, there was a witch hunt for material and articles telling this story. And obviously plenty of lower ranking officials wanted to take care of some of their own dirty laundry. This is the real source of the "right to forget" privacy legislation. Makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it. EVEN when it comes to child abuse, the top politicians in Europe just brazenly ignore the rules. Emmanuel Macron's wife ... has publicly confessed to being a pedophile, and having sexually abused at least one child (yes, mr. Macron: she was his French teacher. She blames him, incidentally, as if that matters). Macron has publicly confirmed this (and taken "the blame", which of course doesn't matter: he was a minor). For anyone in France, it is clear: this is a despicable crime, and she would be harshly punished ... but any action against him might bring Le Pen to power, or even tip the balance in the EU parliament to anti-EU parties if we are really unlucky. I bet he has said as much to the public prosecutor. A child defending a pedophile happens often, by the way, especially to stay out of the hands of child services, and is of course never accepted as an excuse ... except ... when it applies to even pretty low-level government officials.

HPsquared 5y ago

Since the system can't detect new CSAM, doesn't it actually incentivize the production of new material? This mechanism could then actually increase the amount of abuse going on.

candiodari 5y ago
That's just one more argument to the fire: the intent here is not to protect children. The intent is to scan everybody for things "to be determined", and not subject to public scrutiny. Europe is not immune to this. Jose Manuel Barrosso, the ex-EU-commission-president used to be a member of a communist revolutionary student group ... that has murdered people. He was present at at least three such killings, and it is not clear if "present" is where it stops, but obviously he was never convicted of murder (he was, of other things). When he came to office, there was a witch hunt for material and articles telling this story. And obviously plenty of lower ranking officials wanted to take care of some of their own dirty laundry. This is the real source of the "right to forget" privacy legislation. Makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it. EVEN when it comes to child abuse, the top politicians in Europe just brazenly ignore the rules. Emmanuel Macron's wife ... has publicly confessed to being a pedophile, and having sexually abused at least one child (yes, mr. Macron: she was his French teacher. She blames him, incidentally, as if that matters). Macron has publicly confirmed this (and taken "the blame", which of course doesn't matter: he was a minor). For anyone in France, it is clear: this is a despicable crime, and she would be harshly punished ... but any action against him might bring Le Pen to power, or even tip the balance in the EU parliament to anti-EU parties if we are really unlucky. I bet he has said as much to the public prosecutor. A child defending a pedophile happens often, by the way, especially to stay out of the hands of child services, and is of course never accepted as an excuse ... except ... when it applies to even pretty low-level government officials.