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There is (was?) an effort to restart Airships for cargo traffic. They solved the ballast issue with onboard compressors. If understood it correctly that solve

There is (was?) an effort to restart Airships for cargo traffic. They solved the ballast issue with onboard compressors. If understood it correctly that solved this problem complete with [effectively?] no loss of lift gas.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago
Right but now you're consuming energy to run those compressors, making the energy-savings moot. If you look at the history of airship development (which admittedly is ancient by modern technological standards), there were several incidents of airships floating away from their mooring. Mooring an airship is actually a fairly difficult problem.
- coryrc 5y ago
  Energy usage for compression is tiny compared to actually transiting, and you can get some of the energy back. Or if it was hydrogen fueled, just run your engines for a short time.
  - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
    Fair enough you're probably right. And if you have a battery onboard and charge it using solar cells on the ship, you should have enough energy generated to at least run the compressor and dock the ship.
    - manicpolymath 5y ago
      This might be slow, but what about using the lift gas in a fuel cell with atmospheric O2 for extra efficiency? You reduce the lift gas in the bags, and if you store the water aboard then you get extra ballast. You could even “unload” the extra electricity for use groundside. The corollary pipe dream here is to line the entire interior of the envelope as a fuel cell membrane and use the airship as a portable battery.
      - m4rtink 5y ago
        IIRC some military airships condensed water from their their engine exhaust to keep better control over their balance (the ship otherwise gets lighter as you burn fuel and you might have to release some of the irreplaceable lifting gas instead).
  - fogihujy 5y ago
    Or, just have the compressor ready at the dock, and wait with the unloading until the hydrogen has been compressed. But yeah, simply running a compressor powered by hydrogen should suffice. I assume the airships would require some surplus hydrogen anyway, in case there's a mid-flight leak or something.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  Cover the whole outside of the blimp in solar panel foil? I do not see energy as the problem.
m4rtink 5y ago
Interesting! Setting the weight of the compressors and the energy requirements (I guess you could supply that ground side if possible) it really does solve the issue of loosing helium. :) For hydrogen you I guess you could either let it go or also use the compressors in case there is no way to replenish the lifting gas & you might need the extra lift before returning to your primary maintenance base.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago

Right but now you're consuming energy to run those compressors, making the energy-savings moot. If you look at the history of airship development (which admittedly is ancient by modern technological standards), there were several incidents of airships floating away from their mooring. Mooring an airship is actually a fairly difficult problem.

coryrc 5y ago
Energy usage for compression is tiny compared to actually transiting, and you can get some of the energy back. Or if it was hydrogen fueled, just run your engines for a short time.
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago
  Fair enough you're probably right. And if you have a battery onboard and charge it using solar cells on the ship, you should have enough energy generated to at least run the compressor and dock the ship.
  - manicpolymath 5y ago
    This might be slow, but what about using the lift gas in a fuel cell with atmospheric O2 for extra efficiency? You reduce the lift gas in the bags, and if you store the water aboard then you get extra ballast. You could even “unload” the extra electricity for use groundside. The corollary pipe dream here is to line the entire interior of the envelope as a fuel cell membrane and use the airship as a portable battery.
    - m4rtink 5y ago
      IIRC some military airships condensed water from their their engine exhaust to keep better control over their balance (the ship otherwise gets lighter as you burn fuel and you might have to release some of the irreplaceable lifting gas instead).
- fogihujy 5y ago
  Or, just have the compressor ready at the dock, and wait with the unloading until the hydrogen has been compressed. But yeah, simply running a compressor powered by hydrogen should suffice. I assume the airships would require some surplus hydrogen anyway, in case there's a mid-flight leak or something.
hutzlibu 5y ago
Cover the whole outside of the blimp in solar panel foil? I do not see energy as the problem.

m4rtink 5y ago

Interesting! Setting the weight of the compressors and the energy requirements (I guess you could supply that ground side if possible) it really does solve the issue of loosing helium. :) For hydrogen you I guess you could either let it go or also use the compressors in case there is no way to replenish the lifting gas & you might need the extra lift before returning to your primary maintenance base.