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that is allot of code (== effort) for making things looks good (aesthetically) on IE 6-8. I see there files created few days ago, and I wonder, why in July 201

by tzury 15y ago

that is allot of code (== effort) for making things looks good (aesthetically) on IE 6-8. I see there files created few days ago, and I wonder, why in July 2011 people and corporate will stilll choose to use IE6/7/8 when FF/Chrome/Safari available for Windows, for free, and support all or most advanced, neat HTML5 features Should not corporate care most about information security? How can they let instances of those versions of IE in an organization's network?

LeafStorm 15y ago
Two factors. One is laziness. Upgrading to Firefox and Chrome takes work. Second is that if they upgraded, there are probably a lot of people who would complain, "WTF where is my [some menu item from IE]?" These are stupid reasons, but they are enough to prevent companies from upgrading.
- Stwerner 15y ago
  There is also the cost of labor associated with upgrading. A lot of corporate IT departments don't want to spend the hours upgrading their whole infrastructure when they have other things to do - from my experience IT is expected to run with as little cost as possible - if everything needed for people to complete their work is possible with ie6, there is no incentive to upgrade.
  - T-hawk 15y ago
    This, a thousand times this. IE6 persists in corporations not so much from risk-aversion, but simply from inertia and the lack of a cost-benefit justification to upgrade. Windows XP is the real culprit. XP installers even through the latest service packs never came with anything newer than IE6, so it's going to stick around as long as XP does. And given the frequency that most corporate workstations get reassigned and reinstalled and reimaged, IE6 comes out of the reinstallation casket all the time. And consider the users as well. These are corporations with thousands of users with no technical expertise, especially corps in fundamentally non-technological fields like say education or food service. These are the users with twelve handwritten steps on Post-its for how to open their timesheet on the intraweb. Even a switch to tabbed browsing can get them lost in their routines. What IT department wants to spend any amount of time upgrading and retraining these users?
    - seminal 15y ago
      "twelve handwritten steps on Post-its for how to open their timesheet on the intraweb" It's funny to watch this in action.
joshuacc 15y ago
The problem for corporate environments is that they tend to have a few really big legacy applications which only function correctly in older versions of IE. The question then becomes whether to upgrade the application (with a massive price tag), or keep their old version of IE as the standard (which appears to cost nothing). In fact, there are costs of maintenance and security, but those aren't readily apparent on the balance sheets.
- Nat0 15y ago
  That is the case at my company, over half of the web based applications that we have to use are built exclusively for IE. It is a massive pain, but I do not see it changing any time soon.
untog 15y ago
As others have stated, there are a ton of web apps that require IE. And once you have to install IE for them, why install others? So that your employees can surf all the web sites they want on company time? The inventive to provide that is not very high.

by tzury 15y ago

LeafStorm 15y ago

Two factors. One is laziness. Upgrading to Firefox and Chrome takes work. Second is that if they upgraded, there are probably a lot of people who would complain, "WTF where is my [some menu item from IE]?" These are stupid reasons, but they are enough to prevent companies from upgrading.

Stwerner 15y ago
There is also the cost of labor associated with upgrading. A lot of corporate IT departments don't want to spend the hours upgrading their whole infrastructure when they have other things to do - from my experience IT is expected to run with as little cost as possible - if everything needed for people to complete their work is possible with ie6, there is no incentive to upgrade.
- T-hawk 15y ago
  This, a thousand times this. IE6 persists in corporations not so much from risk-aversion, but simply from inertia and the lack of a cost-benefit justification to upgrade. Windows XP is the real culprit. XP installers even through the latest service packs never came with anything newer than IE6, so it's going to stick around as long as XP does. And given the frequency that most corporate workstations get reassigned and reinstalled and reimaged, IE6 comes out of the reinstallation casket all the time. And consider the users as well. These are corporations with thousands of users with no technical expertise, especially corps in fundamentally non-technological fields like say education or food service. These are the users with twelve handwritten steps on Post-its for how to open their timesheet on the intraweb. Even a switch to tabbed browsing can get them lost in their routines. What IT department wants to spend any amount of time upgrading and retraining these users?
  - seminal 15y ago
    "twelve handwritten steps on Post-its for how to open their timesheet on the intraweb" It's funny to watch this in action.

joshuacc 15y ago

The problem for corporate environments is that they tend to have a few really big legacy applications which only function correctly in older versions of IE. The question then becomes whether to upgrade the application (with a massive price tag), or keep their old version of IE as the standard (which appears to cost nothing). In fact, there are costs of maintenance and security, but those aren't readily apparent on the balance sheets.

Nat0 15y ago
That is the case at my company, over half of the web based applications that we have to use are built exclusively for IE. It is a massive pain, but I do not see it changing any time soon.

untog 15y ago

As others have stated, there are a ton of web apps that require IE. And once you have to install IE for them, why install others? So that your employees can surf all the web sites they want on company time? The inventive to provide that is not very high.