4 ms·

I disagree. You can separate the author's observations (namely, the identified pattern of revealing standing reserve) from the author's intentions (standing res

by zelias 5y ago

I disagree. You can separate the author's observations (namely, the identified pattern of revealing standing reserve) from the author's intentions (standing reserve = bad). However, one can easily conceive of an AI that "obsoletes" humanity from the supply chain, so-to-speak, which would theoretically allow humans unbridled opportunity to "be", as Heidegger envisions it. Once human labor is obsolete, what will become of humanity?

pmoriarty 5y ago
Will play also be obsolete? Because work can be play, and play can be work. Work often has a negative connotation in today's world, but it can also be positive, fun, and rewarding. The economic whip (ie. the incentive of working to survive) might become obsolete, but that doesn't mean that people will stop wanting to work for fun, fulfillment, or to make original contributions. It's unlikely many people would willingly choose to be garbagemen and toilet cleaners, and we'll probably all breathe a sigh of relief when those jobs are finally automated, but will we stop wanting to make art or music when AI can make it "just as good"? Even in more practical fields than art or music, it's more likely that we'll see AI-human collaborations rather than AI doing everything by itself without human input. What is human is constantly in flux anyway. Even if we consider just technology's effect on the human, there are humans now with all sorts of prosthesis that make them "more than human" in some ways, and this trend itself will likely continue, with things like more and more advanced neural interfaces, memory upgrades, sensory enhancement, etc. The future of humanity will likely be as some sort of cyborg.
- IntrepidWorm 5y ago
  I think back to Calhoun's rat utopia experiments and wonder if humans could ever be happy in a post-work society. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-... While the predictions made by the study regarding human behavior have since been called into question (and because a human version of these experiments would be horribly unethical), it does bear to think about what the world would look like if all work was performed by automated means free of human interaction. On one hand, there are many jobs that would be seldom missed by most people. On the other, people can find fullfillment in just about anything.
- zelias 5y ago
  I think the distinction lies in the fact that "play" activities are done for their own sake. This is an essential part of the experience of "being" (IMO) as it entails performing activities simply because one enjoys them. Compare this to "work" in the sense of a problem that needs to be solved with the application of human resources as standing-reserve. I agree that the concept of "humanity" is constantly evolving. I think the ways in which society will change in order to reflect this evolution in humanity are super interesting to explore.

by zelias 5y ago

pmoriarty 5y ago

Will play also be obsolete? Because work can be play, and play can be work. Work often has a negative connotation in today's world, but it can also be positive, fun, and rewarding. The economic whip (ie. the incentive of working to survive) might become obsolete, but that doesn't mean that people will stop wanting to work for fun, fulfillment, or to make original contributions. It's unlikely many people would willingly choose to be garbagemen and toilet cleaners, and we'll probably all breathe a sigh of relief when those jobs are finally automated, but will we stop wanting to make art or music when AI can make it "just as good"? Even in more practical fields than art or music, it's more likely that we'll see AI-human collaborations rather than AI doing everything by itself without human input. What is human is constantly in flux anyway. Even if we consider just technology's effect on the human, there are humans now with all sorts of prosthesis that make them "more than human" in some ways, and this trend itself will likely continue, with things like more and more advanced neural interfaces, memory upgrades, sensory enhancement, etc. The future of humanity will likely be as some sort of cyborg.

IntrepidWorm 5y ago
I think back to Calhoun's rat utopia experiments and wonder if humans could ever be happy in a post-work society. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-... While the predictions made by the study regarding human behavior have since been called into question (and because a human version of these experiments would be horribly unethical), it does bear to think about what the world would look like if all work was performed by automated means free of human interaction. On one hand, there are many jobs that would be seldom missed by most people. On the other, people can find fullfillment in just about anything.
zelias 5y ago
I think the distinction lies in the fact that "play" activities are done for their own sake. This is an essential part of the experience of "being" (IMO) as it entails performing activities simply because one enjoys them. Compare this to "work" in the sense of a problem that needs to be solved with the application of human resources as standing-reserve. I agree that the concept of "humanity" is constantly evolving. I think the ways in which society will change in order to reflect this evolution in humanity are super interesting to explore.