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I get this, but when the alternative is spreading a virus that can have vulnerable people end up on a ventilator or worse... is it not a small price to pay? My

I get this, but when the alternative is spreading a virus that can have vulnerable people end up on a ventilator or worse... is it not a small price to pay? My nephew also goes nuts when he is strapped into a car seat, but sometimes you just need to deal with meltdowns and teach kids that they can't always get their way.

slumdev 5y ago
> the alternative is spreading a virus that can have vulnerable people end up on a ventilator or worse We're already at a point in terms of wealth and technology that Amazon could deliver all of our durable goods and nonperishables, Instacart could deliver all of our groceries, and schooling and most jobs can be completed online. Every family of average or greater means can already afford to buy everything from these two companies. Every family of below-average means could be supported by a government stipend to enable them to receive goods this way. We have the ability to build a society where most people leave their homes only a few times per year. Surely this is just a small price to pay in the fight against a virus that could leave vulnerable people on a ventilator or worse, right?
umvi 5y ago
> I get this, but when the alternative is spreading a virus that can have vulnerable people end up on a ventilator or worse... is it not a small price to pay? It was a small price to pay in 2020 before there was a vaccine, and I paid it. Now that the vaccine is available I wonder why said vulnerable people are choosing to not get the vaccine and putting undue burden on me and my family and so I tend to think it is is not worth paying that price anymore. If said vulnerable person is unable to get the vaccine for medical reasons... those types of people are exceedingly rare and have always had to be super careful. For them I recommend just sheltering in place indefinitely or something like https://microclimate.com/ https://microclimate.com/ in public.
kodyo 5y ago
Do vulnerable people have any responsibility to avoid situations that they feel are dangerous?

slumdev 5y ago

> the alternative is spreading a virus that can have vulnerable people end up on a ventilator or worse We're already at a point in terms of wealth and technology that Amazon could deliver all of our durable goods and nonperishables, Instacart could deliver all of our groceries, and schooling and most jobs can be completed online. Every family of average or greater means can already afford to buy everything from these two companies. Every family of below-average means could be supported by a government stipend to enable them to receive goods this way. We have the ability to build a society where most people leave their homes only a few times per year. Surely this is just a small price to pay in the fight against a virus that could leave vulnerable people on a ventilator or worse, right?

umvi 5y ago

> I get this, but when the alternative is spreading a virus that can have vulnerable people end up on a ventilator or worse... is it not a small price to pay? It was a small price to pay in 2020 before there was a vaccine, and I paid it. Now that the vaccine is available I wonder why said vulnerable people are choosing to not get the vaccine and putting undue burden on me and my family and so I tend to think it is is not worth paying that price anymore. If said vulnerable person is unable to get the vaccine for medical reasons... those types of people are exceedingly rare and have always had to be super careful. For them I recommend just sheltering in place indefinitely or something like https://microclimate.com/ https://microclimate.com/ in public.

kodyo 5y ago

Do vulnerable people have any responsibility to avoid situations that they feel are dangerous?