> wasn't one of the main appeals early on that it would be independent from any governments? The government has the guns[1]. And a structured (albeit imperfect

> wasn't one of the main appeals early on that it would be independent from any governments? The government has the guns[1]. And a structured (albeit imperfect) way of having the people's voice be heard. It could never be independent in the way that coiners dream. To a rounding error nobody wants the government not to be able to control the money. Child support, theft, jury-awarded penalties, etc… etc… People actually do want a judicial system. Is that controversial now? [1] And don't give me 2nd amendment. This is what Biden meant when he said that the USG has nukes. It's not a threat, but a statement of fact that the people cannot outgun the armed forces. The USD is ulmitately backed by the nuclear triad, with many layers before that.