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I'd say, anyone who doesn't want to catch and/or spread COVID. The delta variant is infecting people who have the vaccine. They have an easier time with it than

I'd say, anyone who doesn't want to catch and/or spread COVID. The delta variant is infecting people who have the vaccine. They have an easier time with it thanks the vaccine, but like a condom, it's not 100% effective at preventing transmission. Data point: I'm fully vaccinated, and I'm wearing a mask out in public.

tablespoon 5y ago
> I'd say, anyone who doesn't want to catch COVID. The delta variant is infecting people who have the vaccine. Also, big-box hardware stories (at least) have real N95s back in stock (not KN95 substitutes), as of a couple months ago.
- mindslight 5y ago
  A 3M silicone half-face respirator and P100 filters costs a mere $50 even with pandemic pricing. It fits much more comfortably, has no leaks, and doesn't fog glasses. We're 18 months into this pandemic. It boggles my mind that ersatz cloth masks are still the baseline, and annoyingly-tight N95s are seen as the nicer option. Upgrade your EQ.
  - umvi 5y ago
    Because half-face respirators make it you look like you are in a chemical weapon warzone? Also why pay $50 for something a free vaccine protects you from 100x better?
    - mindslight 5y ago
      Masks and vaccines are orthogonal. Staying at home protects me infinitely times better than masks or vaccines, but yet I can't rely on that completely either. I stopped mask usage with friends and family, but see absolutely no downside of continuing to wear a mask in stores. Others' perceptions of me are arbitrary and socially defined, and who is so worried about fitting in at the grocery store? If people were grounded in any type of reality, they'd realize that a chemical warzone requires, at minimum, a full face respirator and chemical cartridges.
      - peteradio 5y ago
        > If people were grounded in any type of reality, they'd realize that a chemical warzone requires, at minimum, a full face respirator and chemical cartridges. This gave me a chuckle. I don't think that is common knowledge in this day and age. Does make me wonder if covid can infect through the eyes. Ill make sure to engage my safety squints.
        jollybean 5y ago
        "in this day and age." It was never common knowledge. It's a little anti-social to suggest that it's 'common sense' in any way that people would know how to react in a chemical warfare situation. Anti-social in the sense that implies a lack of understanding of common social knowledge and behaviour.
      - jollybean 5y ago
        This isn't quite true. Staying at home doesn't protect you unless you live in total isolation, and most people don't. 'Family' is in fact a primary vector of spread. Wearing N100's is also not remotely feasible all of the time, nor will it entirely protect you. The vaccine gives you almost 100% prevention against death and is by far the best protective measure and it largely frees you from worry, concerns over unwittingly infecting others, and reduces the need to do things like 'total isolation' and 'wear n100 all of the time'. "If people were grounded in any type of reality" ... there's no reason for anyone to have a realistic understanding of what living in a 'chemical warzone' would be. Get a vaccine, keep some degree of social distancing, be prepared to wear an n95 sometimes, don't go inside to events with large numbers of people ... if everyone does 'mostly' that we'll be 'mostly fine' over the coming months and can 'mostly' get on with our lives.
navjack27 5y ago
Why the heck is this comment getting grayed out? Are people down voting it?! Like literally same. I'm fully vaccinated. I don't want to get sick. I don't want a tiny bit of getting sick. I don't want to be possibly asymptomatic and spread it to people I care about or literally anyone.
- aantix 5y ago
  Prior to covid, it was estimated that 3% of the population were immunocompromised. Genuinely curious - Did you wear a mask prior? Would you continue to wear a mask past the epidemic, even for the rest of your life, to protect the 3% vulnerable?
  - falcolas 5y ago
    COVID is dangerous to more than just the immunocompromised. It's more dangerous than the flu. This has been documented repeatedly by the scientific and medical community. Reacting to COVID differently than you react to the flu, or a cold, is a wholly reasonable response.
    - taylodl 5y ago
      Not only that but there's the phenomenon of long haul COVID which we don't know much about. Loss of smell, everything literally tasting like shit and making you sick whenever you eat, brain fog - some people have been battling this for months. We don't know enough to know if it'll ever go away. For some people it has, for others it hasn't. We don't know if the vaccinated who get infected will still suffer from long haul COVID. We just don't know. All I know is brain fog is a career killer and my quality of life would decrease significantly if everything I ate tasted absolutely foul and disgusting. Seems a reasonable precaution to continue wearing a mask when out in public even though I'm completely vaccinated. Note that's a purely selfish argument for the vaccinated to continue mask wearing. The fact I may be saving someone else's life is additional incentive.
    - aantix 5y ago
      My question had nothing to do with the severity of COVID. It was directed at those that wear a mask because they're helping to save lives. Did you wore a mask prior to COVID? Will you continue to wear a mask, post COVID, to help save lives?

tablespoon 5y ago

> I'd say, anyone who doesn't want to catch COVID. The delta variant is infecting people who have the vaccine. Also, big-box hardware stories (at least) have real N95s back in stock (not KN95 substitutes), as of a couple months ago.

mindslight 5y ago
A 3M silicone half-face respirator and P100 filters costs a mere $50 even with pandemic pricing. It fits much more comfortably, has no leaks, and doesn't fog glasses. We're 18 months into this pandemic. It boggles my mind that ersatz cloth masks are still the baseline, and annoyingly-tight N95s are seen as the nicer option. Upgrade your EQ.
- umvi 5y ago
  Because half-face respirators make it you look like you are in a chemical weapon warzone? Also why pay $50 for something a free vaccine protects you from 100x better?
  - mindslight 5y ago
    Masks and vaccines are orthogonal. Staying at home protects me infinitely times better than masks or vaccines, but yet I can't rely on that completely either. I stopped mask usage with friends and family, but see absolutely no downside of continuing to wear a mask in stores. Others' perceptions of me are arbitrary and socially defined, and who is so worried about fitting in at the grocery store? If people were grounded in any type of reality, they'd realize that a chemical warzone requires, at minimum, a full face respirator and chemical cartridges.
    - peteradio 5y ago
      > If people were grounded in any type of reality, they'd realize that a chemical warzone requires, at minimum, a full face respirator and chemical cartridges. This gave me a chuckle. I don't think that is common knowledge in this day and age. Does make me wonder if covid can infect through the eyes. Ill make sure to engage my safety squints.
      - jollybean 5y ago
        "in this day and age." It was never common knowledge. It's a little anti-social to suggest that it's 'common sense' in any way that people would know how to react in a chemical warfare situation. Anti-social in the sense that implies a lack of understanding of common social knowledge and behaviour.
    - jollybean 5y ago
      This isn't quite true. Staying at home doesn't protect you unless you live in total isolation, and most people don't. 'Family' is in fact a primary vector of spread. Wearing N100's is also not remotely feasible all of the time, nor will it entirely protect you. The vaccine gives you almost 100% prevention against death and is by far the best protective measure and it largely frees you from worry, concerns over unwittingly infecting others, and reduces the need to do things like 'total isolation' and 'wear n100 all of the time'. "If people were grounded in any type of reality" ... there's no reason for anyone to have a realistic understanding of what living in a 'chemical warzone' would be. Get a vaccine, keep some degree of social distancing, be prepared to wear an n95 sometimes, don't go inside to events with large numbers of people ... if everyone does 'mostly' that we'll be 'mostly fine' over the coming months and can 'mostly' get on with our lives.

navjack27 5y ago

Why the heck is this comment getting grayed out? Are people down voting it?! Like literally same. I'm fully vaccinated. I don't want to get sick. I don't want a tiny bit of getting sick. I don't want to be possibly asymptomatic and spread it to people I care about or literally anyone.

aantix 5y ago
Prior to covid, it was estimated that 3% of the population were immunocompromised. Genuinely curious - Did you wear a mask prior? Would you continue to wear a mask past the epidemic, even for the rest of your life, to protect the 3% vulnerable?
- falcolas 5y ago
  COVID is dangerous to more than just the immunocompromised. It's more dangerous than the flu. This has been documented repeatedly by the scientific and medical community. Reacting to COVID differently than you react to the flu, or a cold, is a wholly reasonable response.
  - taylodl 5y ago
    Not only that but there's the phenomenon of long haul COVID which we don't know much about. Loss of smell, everything literally tasting like shit and making you sick whenever you eat, brain fog - some people have been battling this for months. We don't know enough to know if it'll ever go away. For some people it has, for others it hasn't. We don't know if the vaccinated who get infected will still suffer from long haul COVID. We just don't know. All I know is brain fog is a career killer and my quality of life would decrease significantly if everything I ate tasted absolutely foul and disgusting. Seems a reasonable precaution to continue wearing a mask when out in public even though I'm completely vaccinated. Note that's a purely selfish argument for the vaccinated to continue mask wearing. The fact I may be saving someone else's life is additional incentive.
  - aantix 5y ago
    My question had nothing to do with the severity of COVID. It was directed at those that wear a mask because they're helping to save lives. Did you wore a mask prior to COVID? Will you continue to wear a mask, post COVID, to help save lives?