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Masks are back for whom?

eplanit 5y ago
The little, unsophisticated people: https://politicofire.com/2021/08/09/cnn-guest-suggests-obamas-birthday-party-justified-in-spite-of-covid-because-attendees-were-sophisticated-and-vaccinated/ https://politicofire.com/2021/08/09/cnn-guest-suggests-obama...
- TheHypnotist 5y ago
  Vaccinated is the key part of the title.
  - another_kel 5y ago
    WHO disagrees https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccinated-people-to-continue-to-wear-masks-as-variant-spreads.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccin...
    - TheHypnotist 5y ago
      That's not for the wearer's benefit, in this case, the wearer being the vaccinated. The article even states that. This is to stop community transmission for those who remain unvaccinated. I don't like that as much as the next person, but if I'm visiting a hospital or a nursing home anytime soon, i'll mask up.
  - belorn 5y ago
    At least one of those vaccines are reportedly around 80% effective, so if you got 100 vaccinated people in the party then its about as bad as 20 unvaccinated people partying. If a celebrity many different people per week, 20% vulnerability is still a lot. Its better than no protection, but still put the person at a pretty high risk.
    - TheHypnotist 5y ago
      High risk of what? We all know you can get covid if you are vaccinated, it's a matter or the impact to you. If you are vaccinated, your odds of not getting severely ill and/or dying is significantly reduced.
      - belorn 5y ago
        A primary reason why covid restrictions exist around large gatherings is the threat of overloading the health care system. Parties like the above can be problematic in a time of an pandemic even if one disregard covid. Any illness that can spread has the risk of causing additional stress on the health care system. I know for example some sport activities which has decided to reduce activity on the ground that the sport has the potential of accidents which would then put unnecessary pressure on an already heavily pressured health care system.
falcolas 5y ago
I'd say, anyone who doesn't want to catch and/or spread COVID. The delta variant is infecting people who have the vaccine. They have an easier time with it thanks the vaccine, but like a condom, it's not 100% effective at preventing transmission. Data point: I'm fully vaccinated, and I'm wearing a mask out in public.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > I'd say, anyone who doesn't want to catch COVID. The delta variant is infecting people who have the vaccine. Also, big-box hardware stories (at least) have real N95s back in stock (not KN95 substitutes), as of a couple months ago.
  - mindslight 5y ago
    A 3M silicone half-face respirator and P100 filters costs a mere $50 even with pandemic pricing. It fits much more comfortably, has no leaks, and doesn't fog glasses. We're 18 months into this pandemic. It boggles my mind that ersatz cloth masks are still the baseline, and annoyingly-tight N95s are seen as the nicer option. Upgrade your EQ.
    - umvi 5y ago
      Because half-face respirators make it you look like you are in a chemical weapon warzone? Also why pay $50 for something a free vaccine protects you from 100x better?
      - mindslight 5y ago
        Masks and vaccines are orthogonal. Staying at home protects me infinitely times better than masks or vaccines, but yet I can't rely on that completely either. I stopped mask usage with friends and family, but see absolutely no downside of continuing to wear a mask in stores. Others' perceptions of me are arbitrary and socially defined, and who is so worried about fitting in at the grocery store? If people were grounded in any type of reality, they'd realize that a chemical warzone requires, at minimum, a full face respirator and chemical cartridges.
criticaltinker 5y ago
They should be worn by people who are symptomatic or have tested positive, to reduce transmission of the virus. Beyond that, it's not clear that mass enforcement of nonpharmaceutical interventions - ie masks, lockdowns, etc - will be a net win for public health. For example, the next winter or two could present a very bad flu season, all due to the mass isolation and hyper-sanitizatoin we've come to be familiar with through the pandemic [1]. [1] The impact of COVID-19 nonpharmaceutical interventions on the future dynamics of endemic infections https://www.pnas.org/content/117/48/30547 https://www.pnas.org/content/117/48/30547
- koheripbal 5y ago
  The flu has been nearly absent in 2020/2021 exactly due to nonpharmaceutical interventions. There's no reason to think other viruses aren't similarily impacted. There are various studies demonstrating the effectiveness of masks even for those not infected.
threatofrain 5y ago
Not for Florida, and especially not for schools unless you want to lose government funding.
- kcplate 5y ago
  Actually thats inaccurate but wholly inline with the media BS. Schools cannot impose mask mandates without funding risk. You are allowed to wear a mask.
  - r00fus 5y ago
    An opt-in for masks is entirely useless. It's the unwary promiscuous people who don't wear masks and get everyone else sick.
    - kcplate 5y ago
      I am pretty sure even with a mask mandate, you are not going to get a snotty elementary school kid to wear a mask in a way that provides any protection to those around them. So even a school mask mandate is entirely useless.

The little, unsophisticated people: https://politicofire.com/2021/08/09/cnn-guest-suggests-obamas-birthday-party-justified-in-spite-of-covid-because-attendees-were-sophisticated-and-vaccinated/ https://politicofire.com/2021/08/09/cnn-guest-suggests-obama...

TheHypnotist 5y ago
Vaccinated is the key part of the title.
- another_kel 5y ago
  WHO disagrees https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccinated-people-to-continue-to-wear-masks-as-variant-spreads.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccin...
  - TheHypnotist 5y ago
    That's not for the wearer's benefit, in this case, the wearer being the vaccinated. The article even states that. This is to stop community transmission for those who remain unvaccinated. I don't like that as much as the next person, but if I'm visiting a hospital or a nursing home anytime soon, i'll mask up.
- belorn 5y ago
  At least one of those vaccines are reportedly around 80% effective, so if you got 100 vaccinated people in the party then its about as bad as 20 unvaccinated people partying. If a celebrity many different people per week, 20% vulnerability is still a lot. Its better than no protection, but still put the person at a pretty high risk.
  - TheHypnotist 5y ago
    High risk of what? We all know you can get covid if you are vaccinated, it's a matter or the impact to you. If you are vaccinated, your odds of not getting severely ill and/or dying is significantly reduced.
    - belorn 5y ago
      A primary reason why covid restrictions exist around large gatherings is the threat of overloading the health care system. Parties like the above can be problematic in a time of an pandemic even if one disregard covid. Any illness that can spread has the risk of causing additional stress on the health care system. I know for example some sport activities which has decided to reduce activity on the ground that the sport has the potential of accidents which would then put unnecessary pressure on an already heavily pressured health care system.

falcolas 5y ago

I'd say, anyone who doesn't want to catch and/or spread COVID. The delta variant is infecting people who have the vaccine. They have an easier time with it thanks the vaccine, but like a condom, it's not 100% effective at preventing transmission. Data point: I'm fully vaccinated, and I'm wearing a mask out in public.

tablespoon 5y ago
> I'd say, anyone who doesn't want to catch COVID. The delta variant is infecting people who have the vaccine. Also, big-box hardware stories (at least) have real N95s back in stock (not KN95 substitutes), as of a couple months ago.
- mindslight 5y ago
  A 3M silicone half-face respirator and P100 filters costs a mere $50 even with pandemic pricing. It fits much more comfortably, has no leaks, and doesn't fog glasses. We're 18 months into this pandemic. It boggles my mind that ersatz cloth masks are still the baseline, and annoyingly-tight N95s are seen as the nicer option. Upgrade your EQ.
  - umvi 5y ago
    Because half-face respirators make it you look like you are in a chemical weapon warzone? Also why pay $50 for something a free vaccine protects you from 100x better?
    - mindslight 5y ago
      Masks and vaccines are orthogonal. Staying at home protects me infinitely times better than masks or vaccines, but yet I can't rely on that completely either. I stopped mask usage with friends and family, but see absolutely no downside of continuing to wear a mask in stores. Others' perceptions of me are arbitrary and socially defined, and who is so worried about fitting in at the grocery store? If people were grounded in any type of reality, they'd realize that a chemical warzone requires, at minimum, a full face respirator and chemical cartridges.

criticaltinker 5y ago

They should be worn by people who are symptomatic or have tested positive, to reduce transmission of the virus. Beyond that, it's not clear that mass enforcement of nonpharmaceutical interventions - ie masks, lockdowns, etc - will be a net win for public health. For example, the next winter or two could present a very bad flu season, all due to the mass isolation and hyper-sanitizatoin we've come to be familiar with through the pandemic [1]. [1] The impact of COVID-19 nonpharmaceutical interventions on the future dynamics of endemic infections https://www.pnas.org/content/117/48/30547 https://www.pnas.org/content/117/48/30547

koheripbal 5y ago
The flu has been nearly absent in 2020/2021 exactly due to nonpharmaceutical interventions. There's no reason to think other viruses aren't similarily impacted. There are various studies demonstrating the effectiveness of masks even for those not infected.

threatofrain 5y ago

Not for Florida, and especially not for schools unless you want to lose government funding.

kcplate 5y ago
Actually thats inaccurate but wholly inline with the media BS. Schools cannot impose mask mandates without funding risk. You are allowed to wear a mask.
- r00fus 5y ago
  An opt-in for masks is entirely useless. It's the unwary promiscuous people who don't wear masks and get everyone else sick.
  - kcplate 5y ago
    I am pretty sure even with a mask mandate, you are not going to get a snotty elementary school kid to wear a mask in a way that provides any protection to those around them. So even a school mask mandate is entirely useless.