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Vaccinating whole world takes so much time that it begs the question what is the game plan for countries with zero covid policy? Keep the borders locked forever

Vaccinating whole world takes so much time that it begs the question what is the game plan for countries with zero covid policy? Keep the borders locked forever so the dirty immigrants won't bring them sickness?

blacktriangle 5y ago
Israel and Iceland were two of the most successful with mass vaccination and are now having the biggest COVID resurgance issues. Meanwhile Sweden who decided to do nothing and trust human biology to work is rocking right along. Its settled science now guys, vaccination and lockdown are not the answer to COVID.
- captainredbeard 5y ago
  Why is everyone pushing vaccination so hard if they do not protect against variants or breakthrough infections? As the virulence increases, the physics of breaking out and stopping it are asymptotically approaching zero. We are being played like fools!
  - ojnabieoot 5y ago
    > if they do not protect against variants or breakthrough infections? The vaccines do not provide absolute immunity but they very clearly and obviously provide protection against variants (dramatically reducing the hospitalization and death rate), and against breakthrough infections (dramatically reducing the likelihood of transmission). Your comment is just ignorant misinformation. The fact that vaccines are not completely bulletproof is known to children and any adult who is interested in a good faith discussion about this: those who have had a flu vaccine are familiar with the very mild form of the flu you can still get. The symptoms are far milder than an unvaccinated flu infection, but vaccines boost your immune system. They do not make you superhumanly immune to disease, and it's preposterous to hold the COVID vaccine to an impossibly high standard.
    - captainredbeard 5y ago
      > The fact that vaccines are not completely bulletproof is known to children and any adult who is interested in a good faith discussion Ad hominem! My point is that the vaccine will _not_ make or break this pandemic. We are stuck with this virus and taking part in an activity - regardless of the risk - is futile if the vaccine itself does not stop the spread. I am personally fine bearing a "full strength" COVID-19 infection, or the clot shot itself, but I don't want to because I don't accept the validity of the screeching masses telling me I must. That doesn't make me uneducated, it makes me slightly anti-social. Deal with it.
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    Israel and Sweden both have about 10 million people. They both also have had around 1 million vivid infections. But Israel has had less than half as many deaths from covid as Sweden.

blacktriangle 5y ago

Israel and Iceland were two of the most successful with mass vaccination and are now having the biggest COVID resurgance issues. Meanwhile Sweden who decided to do nothing and trust human biology to work is rocking right along. Its settled science now guys, vaccination and lockdown are not the answer to COVID.

captainredbeard 5y ago
Why is everyone pushing vaccination so hard if they do not protect against variants or breakthrough infections? As the virulence increases, the physics of breaking out and stopping it are asymptotically approaching zero. We are being played like fools!
- ojnabieoot 5y ago
  > if they do not protect against variants or breakthrough infections? The vaccines do not provide absolute immunity but they very clearly and obviously provide protection against variants (dramatically reducing the hospitalization and death rate), and against breakthrough infections (dramatically reducing the likelihood of transmission). Your comment is just ignorant misinformation. The fact that vaccines are not completely bulletproof is known to children and any adult who is interested in a good faith discussion about this: those who have had a flu vaccine are familiar with the very mild form of the flu you can still get. The symptoms are far milder than an unvaccinated flu infection, but vaccines boost your immune system. They do not make you superhumanly immune to disease, and it's preposterous to hold the COVID vaccine to an impossibly high standard.
  - captainredbeard 5y ago
    > The fact that vaccines are not completely bulletproof is known to children and any adult who is interested in a good faith discussion Ad hominem! My point is that the vaccine will _not_ make or break this pandemic. We are stuck with this virus and taking part in an activity - regardless of the risk - is futile if the vaccine itself does not stop the spread. I am personally fine bearing a "full strength" COVID-19 infection, or the clot shot itself, but I don't want to because I don't accept the validity of the screeching masses telling me I must. That doesn't make me uneducated, it makes me slightly anti-social. Deal with it.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  Israel and Sweden both have about 10 million people. They both also have had around 1 million vivid infections. But Israel has had less than half as many deaths from covid as Sweden.