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by effie 5y ago

dTal 5y ago
Alright, let me spell it out. You contend that "submitting your country[sic] laws to legislation from Brusel[sic] was a fatal error", on the grounds of a single piece of legislation. The same argument can be used to argue against any sort of government, since it's a rare government that makes no mistakes at all. The EU is top-tier in a wide range of areas spanning from human rights to food safety. So I ask again - where do you think is better?
- hhlbf 5y ago
  This argument is crap and you should be ashamed to use it as a personal attack.
- effie 5y ago
  > on the grounds of a single piece of legislation. No, I said "when you realize", not that it is the "single piece of legislation". There are many other reasons for that stance, such as the fact that nation's people can influence and check their government's laws with more success than it can do that to a supernational undemocratic bureaucratic organization. > The EU is top-tier in a wide range of areas spanning from human rights They have full mouth of it, yes. They issued some great declarations and legally binding resolutions, I agree. In case of vaccines, almost all EU governments act in direct violation and EU has no real power/wish to stop them.
  - dTal 5y ago
    >almost all EU governments act in direct violation and EU has no real power/wish to stop them. This would seem to contradict your original post, no?
    - effie 5y ago
      No, where is the contradiction?
      - dTal 5y ago
        The EU is either - an unstoppable authoritarian juggernaut to which countries have foolishly ceded their sovereignty and are now paying the price in the form of draconian regulation - a weak and ineffectual symbolic union which issues empty proclamations that countries are free to ignore without consequence Which is it?
        effie 5y ago
        False dichotomy. It can be both, depending on the issue. This is similar to U.S., although U.S. is much stronger on the federal level than EU is.
        dTal 5y ago
        Do you regard the ceding of state sovereignty to the U.S. federal government to also have been a fatal error?
- xtracto 5y ago
  I wish I could report passive aggressive comments like this... as they don't really belong to HackerNews.

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by effie 5y ago

This is not substantive. Please read the HN guidelines.

dTal 5y ago

Alright, let me spell it out. You contend that "submitting your country[sic] laws to legislation from Brusel[sic] was a fatal error", on the grounds of a single piece of legislation. The same argument can be used to argue against any sort of government, since it's a rare government that makes no mistakes at all. The EU is top-tier in a wide range of areas spanning from human rights to food safety. So I ask again - where do you think is better?

hhlbf 5y ago
This argument is crap and you should be ashamed to use it as a personal attack.
effie 5y ago
> on the grounds of a single piece of legislation. No, I said "when you realize", not that it is the "single piece of legislation". There are many other reasons for that stance, such as the fact that nation's people can influence and check their government's laws with more success than it can do that to a supernational undemocratic bureaucratic organization. > The EU is top-tier in a wide range of areas spanning from human rights They have full mouth of it, yes. They issued some great declarations and legally binding resolutions, I agree. In case of vaccines, almost all EU governments act in direct violation and EU has no real power/wish to stop them.
- dTal 5y ago
  >almost all EU governments act in direct violation and EU has no real power/wish to stop them. This would seem to contradict your original post, no?
  - effie 5y ago
    No, where is the contradiction?
    - dTal 5y ago
      The EU is either - an unstoppable authoritarian juggernaut to which countries have foolishly ceded their sovereignty and are now paying the price in the form of draconian regulation - a weak and ineffectual symbolic union which issues empty proclamations that countries are free to ignore without consequence Which is it?
      - effie 5y ago
        False dichotomy. It can be both, depending on the issue. This is similar to U.S., although U.S. is much stronger on the federal level than EU is.
        dTal 5y ago
        Do you regard the ceding of state sovereignty to the U.S. federal government to also have been a fatal error?
xtracto 5y ago
I wish I could report passive aggressive comments like this... as they don't really belong to HackerNews.