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I think others have mentioned CCL already, but if you live in the USA want a specific, concrete, easy action you can take RIGHT NOW to move us toward a carbon t

I think others have mentioned CCL already, but if you live in the USA want a specific, concrete, easy action you can take RIGHT NOW to move us toward a carbon tax & dividend, check this out: https://citizensclimatelobby.org/senate/ https://citizensclimatelobby.org/senate/ Right now we have the best chance in a long time to actually get a carbon tax passed, but it depends on lots of us calling and writing our senators to make sure they know we want one! If you support this, please do it as soon as you have a chance. And I very much agree -- even for people who are willing to take individual action, without including environmental impact into the price of things, it's very hard to figure out where you can best make a difference.

guilhas 5y ago
Carbon tax is a scam. It is exactly what economists not worried about the environment would invent
- andrekandre 5y ago
  > Carbon tax is a scam. why?
  - guilhas 5y ago
    There will be companies exempt, banks making "carbon tax loans", the rich will be paying it easily, while the poor, and small companies, as always, will have to make the most concessions. Why give even more money to the people that lead the world here
    - andrekandre 5y ago
      what should we do instead?
      - guilhas 5y ago
        That is a good question, which I can't exactly answer There is this link from other comments, which I am not sure how good it is: https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions But in general if you create regulation for companies to produce less trash, explore all natural resources responsibly. Invest all public money and outsource contracts to the most environmentally friendly companies... You don't need to punish the market If you just keep the current public investment in environmental R&D and eventually you'll have the better product, and who invested will be rich... just standard stuff really Also people in general were always in favour of clean and green. The only issue has been and will be corporate greed A Corporate carbon tax would be interesting if all profits went local first. And people decided where it should go
        andrekandre 5y ago
        > But in general if you create regulation for companies to produce less trash, explore all natural resources responsibly. Invest all public money and outsource contracts to the most environmentally friendly companies... hmm yea, that make sense, but i guess lobbying makes that difficult... my pipe dream is, companies to be taxed base on all the pollution they generate in general (everything from how much excess plastic, cardboard they use in boxing/packaging to the sources of electricity they use (renewable or coal etc) to how much chemical waste they may make... no pollution, no tax! (yes i know its unfeasible, but its a nice pipe dream)

guilhas 5y ago

Carbon tax is a scam. It is exactly what economists not worried about the environment would invent

andrekandre 5y ago
> Carbon tax is a scam. why?
- guilhas 5y ago
  There will be companies exempt, banks making "carbon tax loans", the rich will be paying it easily, while the poor, and small companies, as always, will have to make the most concessions. Why give even more money to the people that lead the world here
  - andrekandre 5y ago
    what should we do instead?
    - guilhas 5y ago
      That is a good question, which I can't exactly answer There is this link from other comments, which I am not sure how good it is: https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions But in general if you create regulation for companies to produce less trash, explore all natural resources responsibly. Invest all public money and outsource contracts to the most environmentally friendly companies... You don't need to punish the market If you just keep the current public investment in environmental R&D and eventually you'll have the better product, and who invested will be rich... just standard stuff really Also people in general were always in favour of clean and green. The only issue has been and will be corporate greed A Corporate carbon tax would be interesting if all profits went local first. And people decided where it should go
      - andrekandre 5y ago
        > But in general if you create regulation for companies to produce less trash, explore all natural resources responsibly. Invest all public money and outsource contracts to the most environmentally friendly companies... hmm yea, that make sense, but i guess lobbying makes that difficult... my pipe dream is, companies to be taxed base on all the pollution they generate in general (everything from how much excess plastic, cardboard they use in boxing/packaging to the sources of electricity they use (renewable or coal etc) to how much chemical waste they may make... no pollution, no tax! (yes i know its unfeasible, but its a nice pipe dream)