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It's the exact same shit I was talking about instead of fixing your governing body you want to fix it with technology. All the crypto apologist are the same way

It's the exact same shit I was talking about instead of fixing your governing body you want to fix it with technology. All the crypto apologist are the same way if the government YOU are electing does something stupid you want to fix the symptom and not the governing body. You are just throwing around goal posts instead of working on the real problem.

gambiting 5y ago
>>if the government YOU are electing Except like I clearly said above, I'm an immigrant without the right to vote, so I'm not electing shit. Again, how exactly am I supposed to vote my way out of this?
- nyx-aiur 5y ago
  You can leave the country or you can be political active in other ways than direct votes. Don't wiggle your way out of your extremist position that you can't do anything except building technology which would be totally obsolete if you fixed your political problem.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >> you can be political active in other ways than direct votes. Which is what we're doing here, by participating in protests, complaining to agencies and governing bodies as well as Apple itself against this technology. Or is this not up to your definition of "politically active"? >>You can leave the country I'm envious of your position in life where this is the first thing that springs to your mind, well done you. >> Don't wiggle your way out of your extremist position that you can't do anything except building technology which would be totally obsolete if you fixed your political problem. Uhm....are you sure you have the right argument there? Or maybe replying to the wrong person?
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    > you can be political active in other ways than direct votes Absolutely. That's why we're posting our thoughts here and attempting to convince others.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
Civil disobedience. If we think a law is unjust, it is our duty to disobey and undermine it. Technology is a tool that allows us to do exactly that.
- nyx-aiur 5y ago
  This is not disobedience this is beanbag shaped, mayonnaise filled tech bros talking about freedom they've never lost but also never wanted.
nemothekid 5y ago
>government YOU are electing does something stupid Is America the entire world to you? What should a Chinese citizen do? What should a Saudi citizen do? What should a Russian citizen do? Even if you ignore the fact that the chance of fascism in American is not zero, why should Apple make it easier for totalitarian regimes to spy on their citizens? Or do you expect a Saudi person to "just move to America"?
- nyx-aiur 5y ago
  I am talking to people on this website which is banned in 3 of the 4 countries you are talking about. Stop moving your shitty goalpost we are talking about the US, Europe and other democracies. You know what would help people in regimes? Governing bodies that stand up for them in other countries... guess who could change that.
  - nemothekid 5y ago
    I'm not moving the goalposts. I, one, have empathy for people other than myself and two, I am not deluded enough to think that fascism will never return to the West. If you don't care about citizens in other countries, that's on you. >You know what would help people in regimes? Governing bodies that stand up for them in other countries... guess who could change that. What would also help is if Apple didn't build tools for those regimes to suppress opposing political bodies.

gambiting 5y ago

>>if the government YOU are electing Except like I clearly said above, I'm an immigrant without the right to vote, so I'm not electing shit. Again, how exactly am I supposed to vote my way out of this?

nyx-aiur 5y ago
You can leave the country or you can be political active in other ways than direct votes. Don't wiggle your way out of your extremist position that you can't do anything except building technology which would be totally obsolete if you fixed your political problem.
- gambiting 5y ago
  >> you can be political active in other ways than direct votes. Which is what we're doing here, by participating in protests, complaining to agencies and governing bodies as well as Apple itself against this technology. Or is this not up to your definition of "politically active"? >>You can leave the country I'm envious of your position in life where this is the first thing that springs to your mind, well done you. >> Don't wiggle your way out of your extremist position that you can't do anything except building technology which would be totally obsolete if you fixed your political problem. Uhm....are you sure you have the right argument there? Or maybe replying to the wrong person?
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > you can be political active in other ways than direct votes Absolutely. That's why we're posting our thoughts here and attempting to convince others.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

Civil disobedience. If we think a law is unjust, it is our duty to disobey and undermine it. Technology is a tool that allows us to do exactly that.

nyx-aiur 5y ago
This is not disobedience this is beanbag shaped, mayonnaise filled tech bros talking about freedom they've never lost but also never wanted.

nemothekid 5y ago

>government YOU are electing does something stupid Is America the entire world to you? What should a Chinese citizen do? What should a Saudi citizen do? What should a Russian citizen do? Even if you ignore the fact that the chance of fascism in American is not zero, why should Apple make it easier for totalitarian regimes to spy on their citizens? Or do you expect a Saudi person to "just move to America"?

nyx-aiur 5y ago
I am talking to people on this website which is banned in 3 of the 4 countries you are talking about. Stop moving your shitty goalpost we are talking about the US, Europe and other democracies. You know what would help people in regimes? Governing bodies that stand up for them in other countries... guess who could change that.
- nemothekid 5y ago
  I'm not moving the goalposts. I, one, have empathy for people other than myself and two, I am not deluded enough to think that fascism will never return to the West. If you don't care about citizens in other countries, that's on you. >You know what would help people in regimes? Governing bodies that stand up for them in other countries... guess who could change that. What would also help is if Apple didn't build tools for those regimes to suppress opposing political bodies.