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Maybe proper productive conversation would be easier if you didn't label the entire population with differing opinion as "deniers ... refusing to share the same

by zdkl 5y ago

Maybe proper productive conversation would be easier if you didn't label the entire population with differing opinion as "deniers ... refusing to share the same reality". In other words, why would anyone get to "make politics" despite of anyone.

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adrianN 5y ago
People make politics despite of other people all the time.
lrem 5y ago
What else can we do? They have a fundamental right to deny all your science by putting fingers in their ears and screaming lalala. And they exercise it. And they have as much voting power as you do. And it's not some abstract bogeymen we're talking about here, these are our uncles, cousins, parents, ...
gjulianm 5y ago
Proper productive conversation has been tried. People are labeled as deniers not just because "different opinions" but because they don't even share the same sets of facts from which to start. You can't have a productive conversation on COVID mitigation measures with someone that thinks that COVID is "just the flu", for example.
- makomk 5y ago
  You're right that people don't share the same sets of facts - for example, at least in the US Covid "non-denialists" substantially and consistently overestimate the risk, especially the risk to young people: https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-dis...
  - pbak 5y ago
    Oh, you, plague-rat and Surtur apologist, why bring in reason, objective observations and doubt into this scientism Jihad ?
  - gjulianm 5y ago
    It's far easier to educate someone on correct hospitalization rates and death risks than it is to convince someone that covid is real when they think it's a conspiracy and that vaccines contain poison or something. I don't know why would you want to equate those two things, honestly.
- alexvoda 5y ago
  > with someone that thinks that COVID is "just the flu" For bonus points play on hard level and try to have a productive conversation on COVID with someone who rejects germ theory: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupid-meet-the-growing-group-that-rejects-germ-theory/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupi...

by zdkl 5y ago

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adrianN 5y ago

People make politics despite of other people all the time.

lrem 5y ago

What else can we do? They have a fundamental right to deny all your science by putting fingers in their ears and screaming lalala. And they exercise it. And they have as much voting power as you do. And it's not some abstract bogeymen we're talking about here, these are our uncles, cousins, parents, ...

gjulianm 5y ago

Proper productive conversation has been tried. People are labeled as deniers not just because "different opinions" but because they don't even share the same sets of facts from which to start. You can't have a productive conversation on COVID mitigation measures with someone that thinks that COVID is "just the flu", for example.

makomk 5y ago
You're right that people don't share the same sets of facts - for example, at least in the US Covid "non-denialists" substantially and consistently overestimate the risk, especially the risk to young people: https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-dis...
- pbak 5y ago
  Oh, you, plague-rat and Surtur apologist, why bring in reason, objective observations and doubt into this scientism Jihad ?
- gjulianm 5y ago
  It's far easier to educate someone on correct hospitalization rates and death risks than it is to convince someone that covid is real when they think it's a conspiracy and that vaccines contain poison or something. I don't know why would you want to equate those two things, honestly.
alexvoda 5y ago
> with someone that thinks that COVID is "just the flu" For bonus points play on hard level and try to have a productive conversation on COVID with someone who rejects germ theory: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupid-meet-the-growing-group-that-rejects-germ-theory/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/deep-dive-into-stupi...