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Well, our global society is going to collapse very soon. What possible reason to not be alarmist could one have? Seriously; our global civilization is in real

by esarbe 5y ago

Well, our global society is going to collapse very soon. What possible reason to not be alarmist could one have? Seriously; our global civilization is in real danger of collapse in the next fifty years. I do see no reason not to panic or be alarmist? I find it strange however that people are still able to actually ignore and deny the slew of icebergs we will be hitting in the next years; how can one be so delusional? Is it willful? I think to a point it is. The idea that all of our oh-so-normal lives with hot showers that every human since the beginning of time enjoyed is coming to an end. And emotionally we just cannot deal with it; it's too big for us to grasp. And so we shut down that part of the brain and just suppress thinking about it.

golergka 5y ago
> I find it strange however that people are still able to actually ignore and deny the slew of icebergs we will be hitting in the next years Wasn't that due to happen back in 2000?
bspammer 5y ago
I mean yeah, what else is there to do? The problem is far too big for any one person to make a difference. I could collapse in fear daily but it wouldn’t do any good. The only thing to do is enjoy the time you have.
- clydethefrog 5y ago
  This is unfortunately the right personal approach. Do as green as you can if you feel comfortable with it. But the ship has sailed. The IPCC reports are a good contemporary equivalent of memento mori.
- esarbe 5y ago
  I for one try to convey how concerned I am about this to everyone in my vicinity. One of my recent successes was to be able to get my grandparents to accept that there's a problem. We're still having our extinction booth at the local grocery store, once a month. There we present damages done to the eco system, current information about climate change. Still; many people are not really getting the message.
1337shadow 5y ago
You sound just like the hero of this story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nongqawuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nongqawuse
- phtrivier 5y ago
  We know of many false prophets with huge charisma gathering crowds to commit senseless acts. Here we're talking about unglamourous people gathering data, making projections, being wrong, gathering more data, updating their projections, being less wrong, gathering more data, making more updated projections, being less and less wrong, observing the reality becoming closer to their worst-case scenario, and being mocked by masses doing basically nothing. Clearly, it's the same story.
- Y_Y 5y ago
  > Nongqawuse was the Xhosa prophet whose prophecies led to a millenarian movement that culminated in the Xhosa cattle-killing movement and famine of 1856-7, in what is now Eastern Cape, South Africa. Cool story. I don't see the parallel here though. Is anyone seriously suggesting that we destroy our civilisation to save the environment?
look_lookatme 5y ago
Define "very soon".
- esarbe 5y ago
  Next thirty to sixty years?

by esarbe 5y ago

golergka 5y ago

> I find it strange however that people are still able to actually ignore and deny the slew of icebergs we will be hitting in the next years Wasn't that due to happen back in 2000?

bspammer 5y ago

I mean yeah, what else is there to do? The problem is far too big for any one person to make a difference. I could collapse in fear daily but it wouldn’t do any good. The only thing to do is enjoy the time you have.

clydethefrog 5y ago
This is unfortunately the right personal approach. Do as green as you can if you feel comfortable with it. But the ship has sailed. The IPCC reports are a good contemporary equivalent of memento mori.
esarbe 5y ago
I for one try to convey how concerned I am about this to everyone in my vicinity. One of my recent successes was to be able to get my grandparents to accept that there's a problem. We're still having our extinction booth at the local grocery store, once a month. There we present damages done to the eco system, current information about climate change. Still; many people are not really getting the message.

1337shadow 5y ago

You sound just like the hero of this story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nongqawuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nongqawuse

phtrivier 5y ago
We know of many false prophets with huge charisma gathering crowds to commit senseless acts. Here we're talking about unglamourous people gathering data, making projections, being wrong, gathering more data, updating their projections, being less wrong, gathering more data, making more updated projections, being less and less wrong, observing the reality becoming closer to their worst-case scenario, and being mocked by masses doing basically nothing. Clearly, it's the same story.
Y_Y 5y ago
> Nongqawuse was the Xhosa prophet whose prophecies led to a millenarian movement that culminated in the Xhosa cattle-killing movement and famine of 1856-7, in what is now Eastern Cape, South Africa. Cool story. I don't see the parallel here though. Is anyone seriously suggesting that we destroy our civilisation to save the environment?

look_lookatme 5y ago

Define "very soon".

esarbe 5y ago
Next thirty to sixty years?