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I think its' about time to go back to blackberry messaging days with person level invitations & complete P2P networking. Heck security by having every device be

I think its' about time to go back to blackberry messaging days with person level invitations & complete P2P networking. Heck security by having every device be encrypted with a different scheme/similar

randomhodler84 5y ago
The past was not that pretty - RIM handed out the keys like candy to intelligence agencies around the world. We just can’t ever have nice things that lots of people use. States require visibility first, then censorship/control.
- bigiain 5y ago
  Very small webs-of-trust? Keysharing parties? PGP-style, but with modern forward ratchet crypto? Personal builds of the Signal apps that you share by installing them on your trusted friend's phones, and a backend you or a trusted friend host yourself on virtual servers outside Australian/FiveEyes jurisdiction? (Give up and destroy all your electronic devices and only ever communicate with people you're in the same room as?)
  - randomhodler84 5y ago
    I am going to destroy all my consumer devices, build firm/softwarez from source reproducibly, and never trust Apple again.
    - bigiain 5y ago
      What are you gonna run your firmware/software on? It's not easy to find SOCs without proprietary firmware blobs _somewhere_. I really like the idea of Bunnie Huang's Precursor, but its a fair way from retail availability still, and I doubt it'll be inexpensive enough to be able to convince enough friends to acquire one to make it any use socially. I'm vaguely thinking of building a few devices with a TTGO TBeam and a Pi Zero, that can do medium range (1-10km-ish) LORA point to point and mesh networked shared-key encrypted comms to avoid touching the internet as much as possible, and that can provide (low data rate) mesh wifi bridges so other wifi devices can use the LORA mesh. Theres a project called Meshtastic that provides the bulk of that already on those TTGO boards, with a USB/serial/bluetooth API with some nice python example code. That'd still be "trusting" a bunch on non audible code on the TTGO and RasPi boards though.
rosege 5y ago
Pretty sure ANOM was person level invitations and they didn't work out too well for those who assumed everything was encrypted and safe!
- bigiain 5y ago
  Yeah well. Everybody getting invited to that knew up front the sort of person who was inviting them. It's not like they sold them to book clubs or choirs...

randomhodler84 5y ago

The past was not that pretty - RIM handed out the keys like candy to intelligence agencies around the world. We just can’t ever have nice things that lots of people use. States require visibility first, then censorship/control.

bigiain 5y ago
Very small webs-of-trust? Keysharing parties? PGP-style, but with modern forward ratchet crypto? Personal builds of the Signal apps that you share by installing them on your trusted friend's phones, and a backend you or a trusted friend host yourself on virtual servers outside Australian/FiveEyes jurisdiction? (Give up and destroy all your electronic devices and only ever communicate with people you're in the same room as?)
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  I am going to destroy all my consumer devices, build firm/softwarez from source reproducibly, and never trust Apple again.
  - bigiain 5y ago
    What are you gonna run your firmware/software on? It's not easy to find SOCs without proprietary firmware blobs _somewhere_. I really like the idea of Bunnie Huang's Precursor, but its a fair way from retail availability still, and I doubt it'll be inexpensive enough to be able to convince enough friends to acquire one to make it any use socially. I'm vaguely thinking of building a few devices with a TTGO TBeam and a Pi Zero, that can do medium range (1-10km-ish) LORA point to point and mesh networked shared-key encrypted comms to avoid touching the internet as much as possible, and that can provide (low data rate) mesh wifi bridges so other wifi devices can use the LORA mesh. Theres a project called Meshtastic that provides the bulk of that already on those TTGO boards, with a USB/serial/bluetooth API with some nice python example code. That'd still be "trusting" a bunch on non audible code on the TTGO and RasPi boards though.

rosege 5y ago

Pretty sure ANOM was person level invitations and they didn't work out too well for those who assumed everything was encrypted and safe!

bigiain 5y ago
Yeah well. Everybody getting invited to that knew up front the sort of person who was inviting them. It's not like they sold them to book clubs or choirs...