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> There have been serious floods in China and western Europe, heatwaves and drought in North America and wildfires in the sub-Arctic. The remainder of the arti

> There have been serious floods in China and western Europe, heatwaves and drought in North America and wildfires in the sub-Arctic. The remainder of the article never considers any region or country not mentioned in that statement. What about African nations? How about Southeast Asian countries such as Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh? How about the former Soviet satellite countries? There are plenty of countries where the entire population doesn’t have full access to electricity. Air conditioning is a luxury, and central air is unheard of. Not to sound all doom and gloom, but I’m concerned about mass migrations from the developing world, which politicians will use to instigate fear of foreigners and further divide people. Will the nations who are the largest contributors to climate change pick up the bill? Unlikely.

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tenpies 5y ago
> I’m concerned about mass migrations from the developing world I'm actually looking forward to a complete reversal of this trend as self-destructive policies in the developed world make them unappealing places to live in. Add chronic weather anomalies which increase food scarcity, and compound with the policies in place that will cause a serious decline in QoL, and suddenly an exodus to the developing world seems much more likely. There is more arable land there, energy will be cheaper, and the policies in place will not sacrifice humanity for the environment. To what degree this changes in the West as the populace realizes that the way the West becomes "green" is by rewinding their QoL by 100 years is yet to be seen. The indoctrination is strong, the propaganda machine in place, and the elites have no problem flying to Davos while the people they claim to represent cannot even drive to the grocery store because energy prices are so high.
- onion2k 5y ago
  I'm actually looking forward to a complete reversal of this trend as self-destructive policies in the developed world make them unappealing places to live in. It doesn't matter how unappealing somewhere is if your current location has no water and makes growing food impossible. Climate change will drive hundreds of millions of people to move from regions around the equator to the Northern hemisphere.
- bobthepanda 5y ago
  The developing world stands to fare much worse as it is, with areas in the tropics predicted to get to deadly wet-bulb temperatures.
  - ratsforhorses 5y ago
    Could you share where you get these predictions? In "Before the flood" a now dead astronaut explains, in front of a huge display showing currents, to L. di Caprio that Europe will likely go through another ice age when the Gulf stream deviates...
    - bobthepanda 5y ago
      The not-so-nice thing about climate change is that both things can be true. https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/6/19/eaaw1838.full.pdf https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/6/19/eaaw18... > Humans’ ability to efficiently shed heat has enabled us to range over every continent, but a wet-bulb temperature (TW) of 35°C marks our upper physiological limit, and much lower values have serious health and productivity impacts. Climate models project the first 35°C TW occurrences by the mid-21st century. However, a comprehensive evaluation of weather station data shows that some coastal subtropical locations have already reported a TW of 35°C and that extreme humid heat overall has more than doubled in frequency since 1979. Recent exceedances of 35°C in global maximum sea surface temperature provide further support for the validity of these dangerously high TW values. We find the most extreme humid heat is highly localized in both space and time and is correspondingly substantially underestimated in reanalysis products. Our findings thus underscore the serious challenge posed by humid heat that is more intense than previously reported and increasingly severe.
- eCa 5y ago
  It seems like you are more focused on (unspecified) policies in the west creating mass emigration than what forces the ongoing climate change can bring. I think the climate driven migrations will far exceed all migration in the other direction.
Zababa 5y ago
> Not to sound all doom and gloom, but I’m concerned about mass migrations from the developing world, which politicians will use to instigate fear of foreigners and further divide people. I don't think they need to be used by politicians to create a divide. Currently in France we haven't been able to intergrate the last immigrations waves. I'm worried about what will happen if we get even more.

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tenpies 5y ago

> I’m concerned about mass migrations from the developing world I'm actually looking forward to a complete reversal of this trend as self-destructive policies in the developed world make them unappealing places to live in. Add chronic weather anomalies which increase food scarcity, and compound with the policies in place that will cause a serious decline in QoL, and suddenly an exodus to the developing world seems much more likely. There is more arable land there, energy will be cheaper, and the policies in place will not sacrifice humanity for the environment. To what degree this changes in the West as the populace realizes that the way the West becomes "green" is by rewinding their QoL by 100 years is yet to be seen. The indoctrination is strong, the propaganda machine in place, and the elites have no problem flying to Davos while the people they claim to represent cannot even drive to the grocery store because energy prices are so high.

onion2k 5y ago
I'm actually looking forward to a complete reversal of this trend as self-destructive policies in the developed world make them unappealing places to live in. It doesn't matter how unappealing somewhere is if your current location has no water and makes growing food impossible. Climate change will drive hundreds of millions of people to move from regions around the equator to the Northern hemisphere.
bobthepanda 5y ago
The developing world stands to fare much worse as it is, with areas in the tropics predicted to get to deadly wet-bulb temperatures.
- ratsforhorses 5y ago
  Could you share where you get these predictions? In "Before the flood" a now dead astronaut explains, in front of a huge display showing currents, to L. di Caprio that Europe will likely go through another ice age when the Gulf stream deviates...
  - bobthepanda 5y ago
    The not-so-nice thing about climate change is that both things can be true. https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/6/19/eaaw1838.full.pdf https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/6/19/eaaw18... > Humans’ ability to efficiently shed heat has enabled us to range over every continent, but a wet-bulb temperature (TW) of 35°C marks our upper physiological limit, and much lower values have serious health and productivity impacts. Climate models project the first 35°C TW occurrences by the mid-21st century. However, a comprehensive evaluation of weather station data shows that some coastal subtropical locations have already reported a TW of 35°C and that extreme humid heat overall has more than doubled in frequency since 1979. Recent exceedances of 35°C in global maximum sea surface temperature provide further support for the validity of these dangerously high TW values. We find the most extreme humid heat is highly localized in both space and time and is correspondingly substantially underestimated in reanalysis products. Our findings thus underscore the serious challenge posed by humid heat that is more intense than previously reported and increasingly severe.
eCa 5y ago
It seems like you are more focused on (unspecified) policies in the west creating mass emigration than what forces the ongoing climate change can bring. I think the climate driven migrations will far exceed all migration in the other direction.

Zababa 5y ago

> Not to sound all doom and gloom, but I’m concerned about mass migrations from the developing world, which politicians will use to instigate fear of foreigners and further divide people. I don't think they need to be used by politicians to create a divide. Currently in France we haven't been able to intergrate the last immigrations waves. I'm worried about what will happen if we get even more.