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I remember how it was a huge deal for weeks when our former president said something along these lines but to a large extent the administration was correct. I

I remember how it was a huge deal for weeks when our former president said something along these lines but to a large extent the administration was correct. I hate the fact that these changes to forestry management are going to be delayed or shot down just because of partisan bullshit. I’d say we’re better than this but I’m not quite sure nowadays.

jdavis703 5y ago
Most of California’s forests are managed by the Interior Department. Why wasn’t federal forest policy changed if the last administration believed that was the primary cause of fires?
- bthazos 5y ago
  Maybe the areas affected don't actually benefit anyone in power? Probably not enough graft coming out of the timber industry.
- pasttense01 5y ago
  I think Interior tends to defer to state and local interests rather than following national policies.
  - mikeryan 5y ago
    That’s not how it works. This is, literally, land owned and managed by the federal government. It’s on them to manage it.
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okareaman 5y ago
The former president was very inarticulate about it, which I'd say was the problem. He told us California residents that we needed to sweep our forests and didn't acknowledge that the majority of the public forests were the responsibility of the Federal Govt. A more knowledgeable Republican president could have made a better case that wouldn't get ridiculed. Trump blames California for wildfires, tells state 'you gotta clean your floors' https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/trump-blames-california-for-wildfires-tells-state-you-gotta-clean-your-floors-1311059 https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/... Trump's suggestions have prompted head-scratching from experts who say his prescriptions — more raking, less water released into the ocean for environmental purposes — suggest he does not understand the science of wildfires. Critics also point out that most of California’s wildlands are federally managed.
- rcurry 5y ago
  Okay, now that he’s gone who do we pin the blame on?
  - thinkcontext 5y ago
    The post you are replying to did not blame Trump for the fires, it said he was incoherent and incorrect in assigning blame. He continues to do both of those things in his role of King of the GOP, so there's no reason to stop pinning blame on him for things he is doing.
    - okareaman 5y ago
      Thank you. I sometimes wonder if it is that I don't write clearly enough or if some people have poor reading comprehension. Perhaps both.
      - rcurry 5y ago
        Ad hominem attacks aside, the question remains. Now that #OrangeManBad isn't here, who, exactly is,as you say, "the problem"? From what I've seen, Californians have a bad habit of electing people who can't accomplish anything, and then blame their woes on people who are so far removed from being able to have any influence that it's laughable. The forestry service under Trump is the same forestry service that logged (pardon the pun) eight years under Obama. What did Obama do to mitigate the fires? The Dixie fire continues to burn without restrainnt, what's the solution? Frankly, as much as I don't like the man, Trump is right - when it comes to forest fires in CA, it's kind of your mess to clean up. Drive down any road on the coast and you'll find acres of arroyos full to the brim with deadwood - literal tinderboxes that nobody is cleaning up. Okay, 50x% of the forests belong to the Federal Government? Cool, don't build your houses within a half mile firebreak of them. The other 50%? Well, gosh, I guess you all should have a chat or something.
- hindsightbias 5y ago
  Let’s see, most of the giant fires, Shasta Trinity, Mendocino, Six Rivers, Lassen, Plumas are all National Forests. Lassen National Park, part of the Dixie fire. I guess these people think Newsom was/is President or do not understand the difference between county, state and federal jurisdiction.

jdavis703 5y ago

Most of California’s forests are managed by the Interior Department. Why wasn’t federal forest policy changed if the last administration believed that was the primary cause of fires?

bthazos 5y ago
Maybe the areas affected don't actually benefit anyone in power? Probably not enough graft coming out of the timber industry.
pasttense01 5y ago
I think Interior tends to defer to state and local interests rather than following national policies.
- mikeryan 5y ago
  That’s not how it works. This is, literally, land owned and managed by the federal government. It’s on them to manage it.
- deleted 5y ago
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okareaman 5y ago

The former president was very inarticulate about it, which I'd say was the problem. He told us California residents that we needed to sweep our forests and didn't acknowledge that the majority of the public forests were the responsibility of the Federal Govt. A more knowledgeable Republican president could have made a better case that wouldn't get ridiculed. Trump blames California for wildfires, tells state 'you gotta clean your floors' https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/trump-blames-california-for-wildfires-tells-state-you-gotta-clean-your-floors-1311059 https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/08/20/... Trump's suggestions have prompted head-scratching from experts who say his prescriptions — more raking, less water released into the ocean for environmental purposes — suggest he does not understand the science of wildfires. Critics also point out that most of California’s wildlands are federally managed.

rcurry 5y ago
Okay, now that he’s gone who do we pin the blame on?
- thinkcontext 5y ago
  The post you are replying to did not blame Trump for the fires, it said he was incoherent and incorrect in assigning blame. He continues to do both of those things in his role of King of the GOP, so there's no reason to stop pinning blame on him for things he is doing.
  - okareaman 5y ago
    Thank you. I sometimes wonder if it is that I don't write clearly enough or if some people have poor reading comprehension. Perhaps both.
    - rcurry 5y ago
      Ad hominem attacks aside, the question remains. Now that #OrangeManBad isn't here, who, exactly is,as you say, "the problem"? From what I've seen, Californians have a bad habit of electing people who can't accomplish anything, and then blame their woes on people who are so far removed from being able to have any influence that it's laughable. The forestry service under Trump is the same forestry service that logged (pardon the pun) eight years under Obama. What did Obama do to mitigate the fires? The Dixie fire continues to burn without restrainnt, what's the solution? Frankly, as much as I don't like the man, Trump is right - when it comes to forest fires in CA, it's kind of your mess to clean up. Drive down any road on the coast and you'll find acres of arroyos full to the brim with deadwood - literal tinderboxes that nobody is cleaning up. Okay, 50x% of the forests belong to the Federal Government? Cool, don't build your houses within a half mile firebreak of them. The other 50%? Well, gosh, I guess you all should have a chat or something.
hindsightbias 5y ago
Let’s see, most of the giant fires, Shasta Trinity, Mendocino, Six Rivers, Lassen, Plumas are all National Forests. Lassen National Park, part of the Dixie fire. I guess these people think Newsom was/is President or do not understand the difference between county, state and federal jurisdiction.