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Why do elected officials act as fake representatives to the people that elected them in the first place? Has it always been this way? It doesn’t matter left or
by fumar 5y ago
Why do elected officials act as fake representatives to the people that elected them in the first place? Has it always been this way? It doesn’t matter left or right. The governing bodies should obey the people not the other way around.
- closeparen 5y agoIf the people had their way, those suspected of child sex crimes wouldn’t even get trials. Things like privacy and due process only exist to the extent that a ruling class has the power to impose their own values, contrary to popular will.
- l33t2328 5y agoI’m one of the people and that’s not my way. I wonder where you got your data from.
- reidjs 5y agoThis made me come up with a thought experiment. If you sampled a thousand parents and asked them if they think sex offenders deserve a fair and just trial, what do you think the result would be?
- Sebb767 5y agoThat question is framed wrong. What you should be asking is "Should people accused of such crimes get a fair and just trial?". This makes it clear that it takes me one sentence to put you in that very position. And that's exactly the problem. Your formulation erases any question of guilt, which makes the discussion nearly impossible to win for the privacy side.
- vmladenov 5y agoNo, what they’re saying is that most people already presume guilt, even if it’s just an accusation. Further, most would be willing to engage in mob justice. I feel like you’re doing a lot of work to miss that point.
- Sebb767 5y agoThe thread parent stated: > If the people had their way, those suspected of child sex crimes wouldn’t even get trials. Emphasis on suspected. I agree that the question, as phrased, would be interesting and you'd probably be right that a lot of people would condone or even engage in mob justice. Given this thread, however, it seems that the actual question posed is the one I formulated. As a side note, my formulation would also be the one to find out how likely people are to presume guilt, as the original formulation confirms guilt directly in the prompt.
- kfprt 5y agoGary Plauche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauch%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauch%C3%A9
- judge2020 5y agoThese cases of people actually claiming to want people locked up without due process are pushed by a vocal minority (same with us - even hacker news posts with maybe a million views mean than 1% of U.S. adults read it) - almost everyone wants due process since we want the truth to come out in the most verifiable way, and the court system provides that, even if it involves humans that can be bribed, persuaded, and manipulated by rich & powerful people.
- kelnos 5y agoI can't say this for certain, but I suspect most people are actually happy about this sort of thing; their elected representatives are doing exactly what they want.
- fumar 5y agoThat is interesting. I haven't met anyone who thinks privacy erosion is a good thing. We don't need to frame it as digital vs physical anymore. There is no distinction as it relates to personal privacy.
- tylersmith 5y ago> The governing bodies should obey the people not the other way around. Then they wouldn't be the governing body. By definition the governing body does not obey the people; they govern the people.
- fumar 5y agoIsn't a democratic governing body representing the will of the people and society?
- tylersmith 5y agoNo, they represent themselves.