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Can't Amazon just serve these bogus headers and keep opensearch compatible? It's not like headers are copyrighted...

evil-olive 5y ago
Amazon could try that, but it wouldn't stop there. they'd end up in a constant arms race. also, that "you know, for search" tagline is featured on t-shirts sold by Elastic [0]. seems entirely plausible to me that Amazon & Elastic lawyers could get into a pissing contest about potential trademark or copyright protection of that term and whether sending it as an HTTP header constitutes infringement. 0: https://elastic.shop/products/you-know-for-search-t-shirt-straight-cut https://elastic.shop/products/you-know-for-search-t-shirt-st...
- contravariant 5y ago
  Though I suppose they're now implicitly making it part of the API, which I think was ruled to fall under fair-use, though I'm not too sure about the details.
- easton 5y ago
  “You Know, for Search” is sent in Elasticsearch 6.8 on AWS. Was it removed at some point?
- javagram 5y ago
  Possible precedent for the use of copyright law in such a way: https://www.eff.org/cases/lexmark-v-static-control-case-archive https://www.eff.org/cases/lexmark-v-static-control-case-arch...
- toast0 5y ago
  I'm sure the lawyers would be happy to spent lots of time hashing out the details, but Sega v Accolade [1] would seem to be relevant and allow Amazon to use trademarks for interoperability. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade
- inet6 5y ago
  Apple won their Hackintosh copyright lawsuit against Psystar over their copyright haiku that the machine will refuse to boot if absent. https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-warns-off-os-pirates-with-a-poem/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-warns-off-os-pirates-wit...
  - easton 5y ago
    The haiku is “ourhardworkbythesewordsguardedpleasedontsteal(c)AppleComputerInc”, whereas the linked poem is loaded with DSMOS I think.
contravariant 5y ago
No need for the headers just return a 401 or 403 on a GET to '/'. > If call to '/' fails with 401 or 403 pass the check and show a warning (message will be linked later). This happens if the monitor permission missing for user. The subsequent checks must be ignored.
fragmede 5y ago
Likely! It worked against SEGA, in the Sega v. Accolade case. Unlicensed Accolade (and later, SEGA Dreamcast homebrew games) displayed a Sega copyright logo because they were (believed to be) needed to run arbitrary executables.
- EvanAnderson 5y ago
  Makes me think of "Oracle poetry": https://dacut.blogspot.com/2008/03/oracle-poetry.html https://dacut.blogspot.com/2008/03/oracle-poetry.html
  - cerved 5y ago
    wow
  - int_19h 5y ago
    So the idea is that a poem, being a work of art, is actually copyrightable? Does this legal hack work?
    - EvanAnderson 5y ago
      The finding in Sega v. Accolade would seem to exclude this Oracle 'hack', too, as being fair use: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/summaries/segaenters-accolade-9thcir1992.pdf https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/summaries/segaenters-acco...
- djmips 5y ago
  As a side note, although Accolade won this case, the injunction that SEGA won earlier prevented Accolade from selling product for a while and that cash flow problem motivated their primary investor to step in and remove the company's founder and all top executives and bring in their own team which directly led to the end of Accolade as a going concern (my opinion). Of course in this case, Amazon isn't as vulnerable as Accolade was back then.
leros 5y ago
Amazon is doing the opposite. They're making their OpenSearch client compatible with both OpenSearch and ElasticSearch.
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Amazon could try that, but it wouldn't stop there. they'd end up in a constant arms race. also, that "you know, for search" tagline is featured on t-shirts sold by Elastic [0]. seems entirely plausible to me that Amazon & Elastic lawyers could get into a pissing contest about potential trademark or copyright protection of that term and whether sending it as an HTTP header constitutes infringement. 0: https://elastic.shop/products/you-know-for-search-t-shirt-straight-cut https://elastic.shop/products/you-know-for-search-t-shirt-st...

contravariant 5y ago
Though I suppose they're now implicitly making it part of the API, which I think was ruled to fall under fair-use, though I'm not too sure about the details.
easton 5y ago
“You Know, for Search” is sent in Elasticsearch 6.8 on AWS. Was it removed at some point?
javagram 5y ago
Possible precedent for the use of copyright law in such a way: https://www.eff.org/cases/lexmark-v-static-control-case-archive https://www.eff.org/cases/lexmark-v-static-control-case-arch...
toast0 5y ago
I'm sure the lawyers would be happy to spent lots of time hashing out the details, but Sega v Accolade [1] would seem to be relevant and allow Amazon to use trademarks for interoperability. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade
inet6 5y ago
Apple won their Hackintosh copyright lawsuit against Psystar over their copyright haiku that the machine will refuse to boot if absent. https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-warns-off-os-pirates-with-a-poem/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-warns-off-os-pirates-wit...
- easton 5y ago
  The haiku is “ourhardworkbythesewordsguardedpleasedontsteal(c)AppleComputerInc”, whereas the linked poem is loaded with DSMOS I think.

contravariant 5y ago

No need for the headers just return a 401 or 403 on a GET to '/'. > If call to '/' fails with 401 or 403 pass the check and show a warning (message will be linked later). This happens if the monitor permission missing for user. The subsequent checks must be ignored.

fragmede 5y ago

Likely! It worked against SEGA, in the Sega v. Accolade case. Unlicensed Accolade (and later, SEGA Dreamcast homebrew games) displayed a Sega copyright logo because they were (believed to be) needed to run arbitrary executables.

EvanAnderson 5y ago
Makes me think of "Oracle poetry": https://dacut.blogspot.com/2008/03/oracle-poetry.html https://dacut.blogspot.com/2008/03/oracle-poetry.html
- cerved 5y ago
  wow
- int_19h 5y ago
  So the idea is that a poem, being a work of art, is actually copyrightable? Does this legal hack work?
  - EvanAnderson 5y ago
    The finding in Sega v. Accolade would seem to exclude this Oracle 'hack', too, as being fair use: https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/summaries/segaenters-accolade-9thcir1992.pdf https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/summaries/segaenters-acco...
djmips 5y ago
As a side note, although Accolade won this case, the injunction that SEGA won earlier prevented Accolade from selling product for a while and that cash flow problem motivated their primary investor to step in and remove the company's founder and all top executives and bring in their own team which directly led to the end of Accolade as a going concern (my opinion). Of course in this case, Amazon isn't as vulnerable as Accolade was back then.

leros 5y ago

Amazon is doing the opposite. They're making their OpenSearch client compatible with both OpenSearch and ElasticSearch.

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