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I’ve been saying for some time the first mover advantage in football penalty shootouts should be removed by doing a Team A/Team B B-A A-B etc. as they do in ten

I’ve been saying for some time the first mover advantage in football penalty shootouts should be removed by doing a Team A/Team B B-A A-B etc. as they do in tennis tiebreaks. I’m not sure if Chess would ever make such a change.

FinanceAnon 5y ago
That would be a fairer format, but I've read that the football governing bodies aren't introducing it as it would be more confusing for people.
- andy_ppp 5y ago
  Haha, I mean I follow football closely and last season with VAR it’s been almost impossible to under the rules the Refs are enforcing.
- gerdesj 5y ago
  The football (soccer) offside rule is often held up as an example of complication, so I doubt a reordering of penalty kicks will be too hard to follow. Rugby union has several different offside rules - well one rule but it is quite involved. Also they are laws! https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/10 https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/10
  - sellyme 5y ago
    > The football (soccer) offside rule is often held up as an example of complication I don't follow the sport much - what's so complex about it? It always seemed fairly simple to me, especially in comparison to other sports' more complex rules (good luck explaining the Duckworth-Lewis-Stern system to someone).
Someone 5y ago
FIFA experimented with that and rejected it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_shoot-out_(association_football)#Advantage_to_team_kicking_first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_shoot-out_(association...? ”As part of a trial to reduce a potential first-mover advantage, the IFAB sanctioned in March 2017 to test a different sequence of taking penalties, known as "ABBA", that mirrors the serving sequence in a tennis tiebreak (team A kicks first, team B kicks second) […] During the IFAB's 133rd Annual Business Meeting in Glasgow, Scotland on 22 November 2018, it was agreed that due to the lack of strong support mainly because of its complexity, the ABBA option would no longer be used in future competitions.” I wouldn’t know whether that decision was the best possible, but guess that the popularity of football makes them more resisting to change than other sports (“Never change a winning team”)

FinanceAnon 5y ago

That would be a fairer format, but I've read that the football governing bodies aren't introducing it as it would be more confusing for people.

andy_ppp 5y ago
Haha, I mean I follow football closely and last season with VAR it’s been almost impossible to under the rules the Refs are enforcing.
gerdesj 5y ago
The football (soccer) offside rule is often held up as an example of complication, so I doubt a reordering of penalty kicks will be too hard to follow. Rugby union has several different offside rules - well one rule but it is quite involved. Also they are laws! https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/10 https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/10
- sellyme 5y ago
  > The football (soccer) offside rule is often held up as an example of complication I don't follow the sport much - what's so complex about it? It always seemed fairly simple to me, especially in comparison to other sports' more complex rules (good luck explaining the Duckworth-Lewis-Stern system to someone).

Someone 5y ago

FIFA experimented with that and rejected it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_shoot-out_(association_football)#Advantage_to_team_kicking_first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_shoot-out_(association...? ”As part of a trial to reduce a potential first-mover advantage, the IFAB sanctioned in March 2017 to test a different sequence of taking penalties, known as "ABBA", that mirrors the serving sequence in a tennis tiebreak (team A kicks first, team B kicks second) […] During the IFAB's 133rd Annual Business Meeting in Glasgow, Scotland on 22 November 2018, it was agreed that due to the lack of strong support mainly because of its complexity, the ABBA option would no longer be used in future competitions.” I wouldn’t know whether that decision was the best possible, but guess that the popularity of football makes them more resisting to change than other sports (“Never change a winning team”)