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Is the other one Analog Obsession aka Tunca? He makes good money, especially as he lives in Turkey. Anyway some friends are convinced deepfakes and "nudify" we

Is the other one Analog Obsession aka Tunca? He makes good money, especially as he lives in Turkey. Anyway some friends are convinced deepfakes and "nudify" websites will compete with OnlyFans but I'm not convinced, at least in the short term.

Applejinx 5y ago
I'm not sure there's only one other, but I am thinking of Analog Obsession, yes :) As for deepfakes, it depends on how easily that can be done, and how much 'celebrity' fakeness can outcompete non-celebrity reality. From what I'm seeing in all these fields, they've got a point. If you can identify the #1 most popular celebrity for 'porn wanted of them', the desire for that could well be orders of magnitude beyond 'real person doing actual porn', and removing the identity of the source person seriously devalues them (in the process of making the deepfake porn). They cease to have market value as themselves though they have another kind as 'plausibly standing in for the celebrity while doing deepfake porn'. There's also the problem of hyper-displays: suppose you want Kardashian porn but you can't have it. So you deepfake it. But what if you chose, since you're doing CGI anyway, to exaggerate the characteristics of your actors, or straight up CGI them, to go way beyond what the human Kardashian would even be? This really complicates the market, I think. We cannot assume that 'deepfakes' will stick to being realistic or plausible: at some point ingenuity will lead to these things being exaggerated versions of themselves. I wouldn't dismiss your friends' concerns too quickly. In so many ways we're going to a world where unreality substantially outcompetes and crowds out reality. And it's all down to the market dynamics, and exploits within that. A truly free frictionless marketplace doesn't have ethics: those count as friction and will get selected against.

Applejinx 5y ago

I'm not sure there's only one other, but I am thinking of Analog Obsession, yes :) As for deepfakes, it depends on how easily that can be done, and how much 'celebrity' fakeness can outcompete non-celebrity reality. From what I'm seeing in all these fields, they've got a point. If you can identify the #1 most popular celebrity for 'porn wanted of them', the desire for that could well be orders of magnitude beyond 'real person doing actual porn', and removing the identity of the source person seriously devalues them (in the process of making the deepfake porn). They cease to have market value as themselves though they have another kind as 'plausibly standing in for the celebrity while doing deepfake porn'. There's also the problem of hyper-displays: suppose you want Kardashian porn but you can't have it. So you deepfake it. But what if you chose, since you're doing CGI anyway, to exaggerate the characteristics of your actors, or straight up CGI them, to go way beyond what the human Kardashian would even be? This really complicates the market, I think. We cannot assume that 'deepfakes' will stick to being realistic or plausible: at some point ingenuity will lead to these things being exaggerated versions of themselves. I wouldn't dismiss your friends' concerns too quickly. In so many ways we're going to a world where unreality substantially outcompetes and crowds out reality. And it's all down to the market dynamics, and exploits within that. A truly free frictionless marketplace doesn't have ethics: those count as friction and will get selected against.