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These harmless generated images have a neuralhash equivalent to those provided in the NCMEC database submitted for testing. I repeat: Dont upload these harmles

These harmless generated images have a neuralhash equivalent to those provided in the NCMEC database submitted for testing. I repeat: Dont upload these harmless images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn (CSAM). Scripts were available on a GitHub repo but were removed because they may cause damage to others.

ryanlol 5y ago
> Scripts were available on a GitHub repo but were removed because they may cause damage to others. Is there an archived link? Edit: I guess this? https://gist.github.com/unrealwill/c480371c3a4bf3abb29856c29197c0be https://gist.github.com/unrealwill/c480371c3a4bf3abb29856c29...
yreg 5y ago
Is the hash database and the hashing algo public? Or how do you know these match?
- jhugo 5y ago
  Of course the database is public, it's on every iPhone!
  - malf 5y ago
    No, it’s not.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
zepto 5y ago
> Dont upload these harmless images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn (CSAM) This is not true. They may match the hash, but the will not match the visual derivative. The system is not as easily fooled as you think.
- sharken 5y ago
  > The system is not as easily fooled as you think. I would like to believe that is true, but the negative consequences of even generating a false-positive is enough to not attempt to upload any image.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - LucidLynx 5y ago
    I tend to disagree here... Based on the documentation from Apple, they are waiting to get *several* matches, *not only one* (we don't know what is *several* but I don't expect something like <= 3 pictures). Once the rate has been reached, they ask to a physical team to review the "positive matches", and deliberate if, yes or no, the images are CSAM or not. If yes, after the manual process, the authorities are called.
    - threatofrain 5y ago
      Hypothetically, what happens if a viral event should persuade people to mass upload these images? Would Apple ad hoc modify their review protocol?
      - jareklupinski 5y ago
        you mean like how people got so fed up with ToS-mandated arbitration that they all decided to file motions simultaneously it worked that time...
      - zepto 5y ago
        Nothing because these files won’t trigger a match.
  - yuppie_scum 5y ago
    The consequence is that someone at Apple reviews the case, notices that its a false positive, and closes the case.
krrrh 5y ago
If Google Drive scans with the same database then how is your link working?
- fulldecent2 5y ago
  Because they are scanning with a different hash system.
fresswolf 5y ago
Instead, send these images to someone you hate over WhatsApp. Chances are that he/she has automatic image saving activated (default setting). New way of SWATting, and completely legal?

ryanlol 5y ago

> Scripts were available on a GitHub repo but were removed because they may cause damage to others. Is there an archived link? Edit: I guess this? https://gist.github.com/unrealwill/c480371c3a4bf3abb29856c29197c0be https://gist.github.com/unrealwill/c480371c3a4bf3abb29856c29...

yreg 5y ago

Is the hash database and the hashing algo public? Or how do you know these match?

jhugo 5y ago
Of course the database is public, it's on every iPhone!
- malf 5y ago
  No, it’s not.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]

zepto 5y ago

> Dont upload these harmless images to iCloud as Apple will assume its Child Porn (CSAM) This is not true. They may match the hash, but the will not match the visual derivative. The system is not as easily fooled as you think.

sharken 5y ago
> The system is not as easily fooled as you think. I would like to believe that is true, but the negative consequences of even generating a false-positive is enough to not attempt to upload any image.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- LucidLynx 5y ago
  I tend to disagree here... Based on the documentation from Apple, they are waiting to get *several* matches, *not only one* (we don't know what is *several* but I don't expect something like <= 3 pictures). Once the rate has been reached, they ask to a physical team to review the "positive matches", and deliberate if, yes or no, the images are CSAM or not. If yes, after the manual process, the authorities are called.
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    Hypothetically, what happens if a viral event should persuade people to mass upload these images? Would Apple ad hoc modify their review protocol?
    - jareklupinski 5y ago
      you mean like how people got so fed up with ToS-mandated arbitration that they all decided to file motions simultaneously it worked that time...
    - zepto 5y ago
      Nothing because these files won’t trigger a match.
- yuppie_scum 5y ago
  The consequence is that someone at Apple reviews the case, notices that its a false positive, and closes the case.

krrrh 5y ago

If Google Drive scans with the same database then how is your link working?

fulldecent2 5y ago
Because they are scanning with a different hash system.

fresswolf 5y ago

Instead, send these images to someone you hate over WhatsApp. Chances are that he/she has automatic image saving activated (default setting). New way of SWATting, and completely legal?