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Aaah, the good old "you can create your own platform" argument. Please remind me again how that went for Parler and Gab.

krapp 5y ago
Both Parler and Gab are currently up and running, so they seem to be doing fine.
- VelkaMorava 5y ago
  Yes, they are running in the same sense that Xerox is a modern prosperous company and not a shadow of its former glory. It's beyond me how normal people push for centralized monopolies that can end you on a whim. I have written a long-ish post but deleted it. I just wanna say this new left-capitalist doctrine really scares me. Communism all over again except instead of woke comrades at the Central committee censoring things we got young programmer thought police at trillion dollar companies cancelling you over usage of "blacklist", "master" or not respecting preferred pronouns in a git repo or email. Don't worry, I'll check my privileges to become sufficiently woke and be a plus plus good warrior for justice.
  - krapp 5y ago
    You probably should have kept the older comment, as this one is a single vaguely on topic assertion followed up with a pseudointellectual word salad of snark and anti-progressive memes. I'm sure that's verysmart content on the forums you're used to but we try for something better here. From what I can tell, Gab is the same cesspool that it always was. I assume the same about Parler but I don't know, since I don't have an account. Both still seem popular with Trumpists, QAnon and the alt-right, so I don't know what Xerox-like "former glory" you believe these platforms have lost, but Xerox is still a billion dollar corporation so... And if having to abide by the terms of service of app stores, social media platforms, ISPs and the actual laws of the land are too "Communist", there's an entire dark web out there that will let anyone do or say just about anything.
    - VelkaMorava 5y ago
      > I assume the same about Parler but I don't know, since I don't have an account. Both still seem popular with Trumpists, QAnon and the alt-right I asked some other dude on this website - do you really want a country with one party in the control of everything (Congress, presidency, governors...)? I am not from the US, but this is so bizzare to watch. Half of your country voted for Trump, and you just hand-wave them away as "Trumpists" as if they were nutjobs who should be censored. That's half the country which opinions you have just dismissed. > And if having to abide by the terms of service of app stores, social media platforms, ISPs and the actual laws of the land are too "Communist", there's an entire dark web out there that will let anyone do or say just about anything. Funny how no one mentions this in posts about China, North Korea, Iran, Syria or Daesh. They have just set their own rules, why should they be labeled as tyranical or authoritatian countries?
      - krapp 5y ago
        >do you really want a country with one party in the control of everything (Congress, presidency, governors...) No, but if I have to choose one, I'm not choosing the one that believes in Satanic pedophile cults and Jewish space lasers, and that gathers neo-nazis like flies, so simple math says I have to choose the other one until my country gives me a viable option besides "lesser of two evils." >Half of your country voted for Trump, A popular bit of propaganda, but no, Trump never carried the mandate of half the country. In 2016, only about 56% of the voting-eligible population - already a subset of the entire population - voted. Between them, Trump and Clinton each got about 27% of the possible vote, and while Trump won the Electoral College, he lost the popular vote. In 2020, 66.7% of eligible voters turned out to vote. Biden won with 51.8% of votes cast, against Trump's 46.8%. >and you just hand-wave them away as "Trumpists" as if they were nutjobs who should be censored It's common to refer to followers of a particular social, religious or political movement - particularly those associated with a cult of personality - by the name of their leader. I refer to the unique blend of populism, neo-reactionism, persecution complex and conspiracy theory that makes up Trump's politics, and that of his followers, as "Trumpism" and them as "Trumpists" in order to draw a distinction between them and the Republican and Conservative ideals they supplanted. >Funny how no one mentions this in posts about China, North Korea, Iran, Syria or Daesh. They have just set their own rules, why should they be labeled as tyranical or authoritatian countries? Well, for one thing, you're confusing the laws of those countries and extremist groups with the terms of service of social media platforms. Twitter isn't beheading anyone, and Facebook isn't sending anyone to concentration camps, so attempts to draw some kind of equivalence between them and totalitarian regimes don't really work.
tomjen3 5y ago
Both Gab and Parlor would have done fine if they had been allowed to create their own platform. I am assuming here that paypal will not dump a google competitor, nor will AWS.
- VelkaMorava 5y ago
  That's a big assumption when the ex-president of the US got banned from Twitter.

krapp 5y ago

Both Parler and Gab are currently up and running, so they seem to be doing fine.

VelkaMorava 5y ago
Yes, they are running in the same sense that Xerox is a modern prosperous company and not a shadow of its former glory. It's beyond me how normal people push for centralized monopolies that can end you on a whim. I have written a long-ish post but deleted it. I just wanna say this new left-capitalist doctrine really scares me. Communism all over again except instead of woke comrades at the Central committee censoring things we got young programmer thought police at trillion dollar companies cancelling you over usage of "blacklist", "master" or not respecting preferred pronouns in a git repo or email. Don't worry, I'll check my privileges to become sufficiently woke and be a plus plus good warrior for justice.
- krapp 5y ago
  You probably should have kept the older comment, as this one is a single vaguely on topic assertion followed up with a pseudointellectual word salad of snark and anti-progressive memes. I'm sure that's verysmart content on the forums you're used to but we try for something better here. From what I can tell, Gab is the same cesspool that it always was. I assume the same about Parler but I don't know, since I don't have an account. Both still seem popular with Trumpists, QAnon and the alt-right, so I don't know what Xerox-like "former glory" you believe these platforms have lost, but Xerox is still a billion dollar corporation so... And if having to abide by the terms of service of app stores, social media platforms, ISPs and the actual laws of the land are too "Communist", there's an entire dark web out there that will let anyone do or say just about anything.
  - VelkaMorava 5y ago
    > I assume the same about Parler but I don't know, since I don't have an account. Both still seem popular with Trumpists, QAnon and the alt-right I asked some other dude on this website - do you really want a country with one party in the control of everything (Congress, presidency, governors...)? I am not from the US, but this is so bizzare to watch. Half of your country voted for Trump, and you just hand-wave them away as "Trumpists" as if they were nutjobs who should be censored. That's half the country which opinions you have just dismissed. > And if having to abide by the terms of service of app stores, social media platforms, ISPs and the actual laws of the land are too "Communist", there's an entire dark web out there that will let anyone do or say just about anything. Funny how no one mentions this in posts about China, North Korea, Iran, Syria or Daesh. They have just set their own rules, why should they be labeled as tyranical or authoritatian countries?
    - krapp 5y ago
      >do you really want a country with one party in the control of everything (Congress, presidency, governors...) No, but if I have to choose one, I'm not choosing the one that believes in Satanic pedophile cults and Jewish space lasers, and that gathers neo-nazis like flies, so simple math says I have to choose the other one until my country gives me a viable option besides "lesser of two evils." >Half of your country voted for Trump, A popular bit of propaganda, but no, Trump never carried the mandate of half the country. In 2016, only about 56% of the voting-eligible population - already a subset of the entire population - voted. Between them, Trump and Clinton each got about 27% of the possible vote, and while Trump won the Electoral College, he lost the popular vote. In 2020, 66.7% of eligible voters turned out to vote. Biden won with 51.8% of votes cast, against Trump's 46.8%. >and you just hand-wave them away as "Trumpists" as if they were nutjobs who should be censored It's common to refer to followers of a particular social, religious or political movement - particularly those associated with a cult of personality - by the name of their leader. I refer to the unique blend of populism, neo-reactionism, persecution complex and conspiracy theory that makes up Trump's politics, and that of his followers, as "Trumpism" and them as "Trumpists" in order to draw a distinction between them and the Republican and Conservative ideals they supplanted. >Funny how no one mentions this in posts about China, North Korea, Iran, Syria or Daesh. They have just set their own rules, why should they be labeled as tyranical or authoritatian countries? Well, for one thing, you're confusing the laws of those countries and extremist groups with the terms of service of social media platforms. Twitter isn't beheading anyone, and Facebook isn't sending anyone to concentration camps, so attempts to draw some kind of equivalence between them and totalitarian regimes don't really work.

tomjen3 5y ago

Both Gab and Parlor would have done fine if they had been allowed to create their own platform. I am assuming here that paypal will not dump a google competitor, nor will AWS.

VelkaMorava 5y ago
That's a big assumption when the ex-president of the US got banned from Twitter.