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Due to stigmatization policies they can't use the normal ad channels to advertise their patreon, so it only makes sense to go the "organic content" route. And f

Due to stigmatization policies they can't use the normal ad channels to advertise their patreon, so it only makes sense to go the "organic content" route. And from their PoV they are sticking to the rules of the relevant subreddits, yet still get their content deleted or banned. I don't find it surprising people get upset when viewing the situation from their side.

graeme 5y ago
I’m a moderator. Very likely you’re wrong. Anything systematic like that is probably generated by a system where someone wrote a script of common phrases and handed it off to low wage labour to write. Highly doubt any actual creator is doing that. The payoff of untargeted spam is so low! Only makes sense if it’s outsourced at scale like any garden variety spam ring. The usual and profitable way people promote their onlyfans on reddit is by posting pictures and videos.
- ProjectArcturis 5y ago
  I think OP was referring to cases like OF creators posting to places like r/roastme where thirsty redditors can see that they're hot, check out their profile, and see the pinned link to their OFs. That kind of thing is not likely to be automated.
- OnlyFriendsThwy 5y ago
  How systematic are you talking? I happen to know an OF creator who promotes herself that way and she doesn't do anything in an automatic fashion, just creates her own submissions to subreddits and gets burned by such moderators. I happen to agree with formerly_proven . When my OF friend described how she submitted topical stuff to subreddits in the hopes that others would follow up on her profile, I was like, "what's wrong with that? Isn't that how people are supposed to promote themselves? Giving out free, relevant stuff in the hopes you'll want to know more about them?" I mean, isn't that how ethical self-promotion is supposed to work? Join a community, obey their norms, contribute, and if they like you, they'll follow up? How do you expect it to work? <insert caveat about how you have no reason to believe this experience, since the sensitivity of the issue requires me to use a throwaway and hide her identity as well>
  - wruza 5y ago
    Can’t speak for your friend or a moderator, but when someone pursues goals other than a pure contribution, that contribution is usually shallow and easy to see through. This pollutes the place with a low-effort content and everyone “living” there hates it. At the core it’s a barely covered hypocrisy. Puns not intended (seriously).
    - OnlyFriendsThwy 5y ago
      I see that, and I'm all for removing shallow content. I just don't get the point of a blanket ban on OF people who market themselves this way -- a mod should be capable of saying, "this person is promoting herself, but it meets the quality standards so no reason to block it" (let alone pre-emptively ban such a person). Indeed, those are the very kind of submissions that lead to a thriving, synergistic forum-ecosystem. I mean, from my experience on reddit, there are all kinds of unworthy submissions from all kinds of motivations that get upvoted more than they should be and removed too slowly (or not at all) by mods. Whether it's brand promotion, or karma harvesting, or (all too often) just not understanding what submissions are appropriate for the forum, it degrades the experience.[1] But targeting OF users for autobans seems tunnel-visioned at best and slut-shaming at worst. [1] one of my favorites, /r/LeopardsAteMyFace, is intended for examples of people a) getting hurt by b) policies and politicians they advocated for. But well over the half the submissions ignore b) and are just cases of "break law they obviously didn't like, get prosecuted".
      - webmobdev 5y ago
        > I just don't get the point of a blanket ban on OF people who market themselves this way The reason has been specified and is to the point: "... contribution is usually shallow and easy to see through. This pollutes the place with a low-effort content ..." - these OF advertisers are only interested in getting people to see their profile (as you rightly pointed out), not their posted content, because their intention is to make money from such content ... obviously, in a place where content is more higly valued, such posters will be banned to ensure that it doesn't attract more of these kind of people. And yes, many sub-reddits do have poor quality content. Thanks to the ban on OF advertisers, it is much less.

graeme 5y ago

I’m a moderator. Very likely you’re wrong. Anything systematic like that is probably generated by a system where someone wrote a script of common phrases and handed it off to low wage labour to write. Highly doubt any actual creator is doing that. The payoff of untargeted spam is so low! Only makes sense if it’s outsourced at scale like any garden variety spam ring. The usual and profitable way people promote their onlyfans on reddit is by posting pictures and videos.

ProjectArcturis 5y ago
I think OP was referring to cases like OF creators posting to places like r/roastme where thirsty redditors can see that they're hot, check out their profile, and see the pinned link to their OFs. That kind of thing is not likely to be automated.
OnlyFriendsThwy 5y ago
How systematic are you talking? I happen to know an OF creator who promotes herself that way and she doesn't do anything in an automatic fashion, just creates her own submissions to subreddits and gets burned by such moderators. I happen to agree with formerly_proven . When my OF friend described how she submitted topical stuff to subreddits in the hopes that others would follow up on her profile, I was like, "what's wrong with that? Isn't that how people are supposed to promote themselves? Giving out free, relevant stuff in the hopes you'll want to know more about them?" I mean, isn't that how ethical self-promotion is supposed to work? Join a community, obey their norms, contribute, and if they like you, they'll follow up? How do you expect it to work? <insert caveat about how you have no reason to believe this experience, since the sensitivity of the issue requires me to use a throwaway and hide her identity as well>
- wruza 5y ago
  Can’t speak for your friend or a moderator, but when someone pursues goals other than a pure contribution, that contribution is usually shallow and easy to see through. This pollutes the place with a low-effort content and everyone “living” there hates it. At the core it’s a barely covered hypocrisy. Puns not intended (seriously).
  - OnlyFriendsThwy 5y ago
    I see that, and I'm all for removing shallow content. I just don't get the point of a blanket ban on OF people who market themselves this way -- a mod should be capable of saying, "this person is promoting herself, but it meets the quality standards so no reason to block it" (let alone pre-emptively ban such a person). Indeed, those are the very kind of submissions that lead to a thriving, synergistic forum-ecosystem. I mean, from my experience on reddit, there are all kinds of unworthy submissions from all kinds of motivations that get upvoted more than they should be and removed too slowly (or not at all) by mods. Whether it's brand promotion, or karma harvesting, or (all too often) just not understanding what submissions are appropriate for the forum, it degrades the experience.[1] But targeting OF users for autobans seems tunnel-visioned at best and slut-shaming at worst. [1] one of my favorites, /r/LeopardsAteMyFace, is intended for examples of people a) getting hurt by b) policies and politicians they advocated for. But well over the half the submissions ignore b) and are just cases of "break law they obviously didn't like, get prosecuted".
    - webmobdev 5y ago
      > I just don't get the point of a blanket ban on OF people who market themselves this way The reason has been specified and is to the point: "... contribution is usually shallow and easy to see through. This pollutes the place with a low-effort content ..." - these OF advertisers are only interested in getting people to see their profile (as you rightly pointed out), not their posted content, because their intention is to make money from such content ... obviously, in a place where content is more higly valued, such posters will be banned to ensure that it doesn't attract more of these kind of people. And yes, many sub-reddits do have poor quality content. Thanks to the ban on OF advertisers, it is much less.