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> I can't believe I've been subjected to the level of abuse I'm getting from people who are on average making less than $145 a month. Can you unpack this sente

by saurik 5y ago

> I can't believe I've been subjected to the level of abuse I'm getting from people who are on average making less than $145 a month. Can you unpack this sentence and explain what it is about "people who are on average making less than $145 a month" that makes the abuse you are getting from them specifically unbelievable? (edit: Wow, -3 after only 20 minutes?... I guess people on HN apparently really hate the idea that people who happen to be poorer than us deserve respect. I think that's the fastest downvoting I have gotten, even contrasted with when I say negative things about Apple, Signal, or Rust. I highly recommend thinking hard about what it means to believe that it is ever appropriate to speak with as much disdain about people who are struggling as Quequao just did... it was frankly downright shameful.)

gostsamo 5y ago
Such people would not bother to put so much effort in spam and abuse for a reward of $136.
MrStonedOne 5y ago
You're getting downvoted because you made a bad faith assumption in a way that comes off as hostile. > I guess people on HN apparently really hate the idea that people who happen to be poorer than us deserve respect. They don't, they hate people who make that assumption.
- rualca 5y ago
  > You're getting downvoted because you made a bad faith assumption in a way that comes off as hostile. I confirm that was precisely the reason why I downvoted that post. Not only does that post indicate the poster failed to read and understand OP's post but the poster's comment suggests the misunderstanding was disingenuous and intended to put up a strawman designed to gratuitously attack OP with pseudo-moralist arguments.
jcims 5y ago
The point isn’t that they are ‘only’ making $145 a month. It’s that people are willing to be abusive to other humans over it. It’s like those annoying relatives that are willing to throw away any authenticity in their relationship with you in order to hustle their shitty MLM product that is making them next to nothing.
- watwut 5y ago
  Tho, $145 can be a lot of difference if you are tight with money. The other thing is that it the average abuser and average account have likely quite different profiles. Average account will have much higher amount of passive accounts that owner don't care about anymore.
- indymike 5y ago
  > The point isn’t that they are ‘only’ making $145 a month. It’s that people are willing to be abusive to other humans over it. In this case, you have to look at the investment people make into getting that $145. Creators are very invested, and the $145 is often in itself a huge source of disappointment and frustration. Imagine being sold being superstardom and a life of luxury and getting $145 (which probably doesn't cover your costs) and having random people complement you in public on how you look naked. I think I'd be a little frustrated, too had I fell for that. > It’s like those annoying relatives that are willing to throw away any authenticity in their relationship with you in order to hustle their shitty MLM product that is making them next to nothing. The are being exploited by the MLM, who sold a dream of business success, self-realization and wealth. Usually at a time in their life where they were in a state of financial failure. Like the exploited creator, they often spend thousands to get hundreds and end up being socially humiliated by their attempts at lead generation. The irony in all of it is that for some it works.
- meowster 5y ago
  > making them next to nothing It's worse than that. 99% of people in MLMs lose money. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00008%C2%A0/00008-57281.pdf https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_com...
sokoloff 5y ago
You’re getting downvoted presumably because you’ve missed the intent of that comment by a country mile. If a mod has to deal with repeated vitriol from people making money indirectly from the platform, it seems reasonable for them to assume that the amount of money at stake is more than a few dollars per day. It was about “why is this small amount worth so much aggravation?!” not “why is this poor beggar bothering me?!”
Lazare 5y ago
I think what OP meant was something like: "I've been getting abused by people promoting OF content. I assumed they were doing this because it made them thousands and thousands of dollars and they were making a living doing it, but if they're only making $145 per month from their OF account, then why do they care so much?" (The obvious objection here is that nothing in the linked analysis suggests the people abusing Reddit mods are only making $145 a month from OF, and in fact, the analysis seems to be pretty clear that the median active creator on OF is making much more.) As for your comment, I did not downvote you so can't explain why other's might, but I assume it's because you seemed to have misread the comment in an uncharitable way.
pessimizer 5y ago
The real shock is that we may have people going into sex work online for want of $145 a month. We clearly need more income redistribution e.g. Reddit Mods --> Single Moms.

by saurik 5y ago

gostsamo 5y ago

Such people would not bother to put so much effort in spam and abuse for a reward of $136.

MrStonedOne 5y ago

You're getting downvoted because you made a bad faith assumption in a way that comes off as hostile. > I guess people on HN apparently really hate the idea that people who happen to be poorer than us deserve respect. They don't, they hate people who make that assumption.

rualca 5y ago
> You're getting downvoted because you made a bad faith assumption in a way that comes off as hostile. I confirm that was precisely the reason why I downvoted that post. Not only does that post indicate the poster failed to read and understand OP's post but the poster's comment suggests the misunderstanding was disingenuous and intended to put up a strawman designed to gratuitously attack OP with pseudo-moralist arguments.

jcims 5y ago

The point isn’t that they are ‘only’ making $145 a month. It’s that people are willing to be abusive to other humans over it. It’s like those annoying relatives that are willing to throw away any authenticity in their relationship with you in order to hustle their shitty MLM product that is making them next to nothing.

watwut 5y ago
Tho, $145 can be a lot of difference if you are tight with money. The other thing is that it the average abuser and average account have likely quite different profiles. Average account will have much higher amount of passive accounts that owner don't care about anymore.
indymike 5y ago
> The point isn’t that they are ‘only’ making $145 a month. It’s that people are willing to be abusive to other humans over it. In this case, you have to look at the investment people make into getting that $145. Creators are very invested, and the $145 is often in itself a huge source of disappointment and frustration. Imagine being sold being superstardom and a life of luxury and getting $145 (which probably doesn't cover your costs) and having random people complement you in public on how you look naked. I think I'd be a little frustrated, too had I fell for that. > It’s like those annoying relatives that are willing to throw away any authenticity in their relationship with you in order to hustle their shitty MLM product that is making them next to nothing. The are being exploited by the MLM, who sold a dream of business success, self-realization and wealth. Usually at a time in their life where they were in a state of financial failure. Like the exploited creator, they often spend thousands to get hundreds and end up being socially humiliated by their attempts at lead generation. The irony in all of it is that for some it works.
meowster 5y ago
> making them next to nothing It's worse than that. 99% of people in MLMs lose money. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00008%C2%A0/00008-57281.pdf https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_com...

sokoloff 5y ago

You’re getting downvoted presumably because you’ve missed the intent of that comment by a country mile. If a mod has to deal with repeated vitriol from people making money indirectly from the platform, it seems reasonable for them to assume that the amount of money at stake is more than a few dollars per day. It was about “why is this small amount worth so much aggravation?!” not “why is this poor beggar bothering me?!”

Lazare 5y ago

I think what OP meant was something like: "I've been getting abused by people promoting OF content. I assumed they were doing this because it made them thousands and thousands of dollars and they were making a living doing it, but if they're only making $145 per month from their OF account, then why do they care so much?" (The obvious objection here is that nothing in the linked analysis suggests the people abusing Reddit mods are only making $145 a month from OF, and in fact, the analysis seems to be pretty clear that the median active creator on OF is making much more.) As for your comment, I did not downvote you so can't explain why other's might, but I assume it's because you seemed to have misread the comment in an uncharitable way.

pessimizer 5y ago

The real shock is that we may have people going into sex work online for want of $145 a month. We clearly need more income redistribution e.g. Reddit Mods --> Single Moms.