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Is there a good websites listing the ways being spied on can affect you personally? Would be great every time a "I don't care if the NSA watch my dick picks, b

Is there a good websites listing the ways being spied on can affect you personally? Would be great every time a "I don't care if the NSA watch my dick picks, bro" naive person bring this to my face again.

imiric 5y ago
Not really a website, but this paper[1] breaks down and refutes the "I've got nothing to hide" argument quite well. [1]: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565
atoav 5y ago
Well my main reasons outside them are: A) Abuse. The assumption that only true, evil crimes mean surveilance technology will be used is wrong. It will be used to harass partners, exes, famous people, activists, journalists, people with the wrong skin tone etc. In fact all of this happened already. B) Power. Giving a government global surveilance capabilities also increases it's power into a realm where the government's nature will change. It will declare things being its business that were formely none of its business. It will go good for a while because our aystems change slowly, but at one point authotarians will take power and then you provided them with the perfect tool to target, assassinate, control and enforce. C) Vulnerable groups. There are certain professions and groups that enjoy protection from government spying for a good reason. If you accept surveilance for yourself, you are also accepting it for them. And the next time you might really need your client-attorny-priviledge or your doctor-patient communication to stay private, it might be too late. These are mostly "systemical" perspectives, but they are much stronger for me than "It is gross, they should not watch it".
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pdkl95 5y ago
In addition to the reason already mentioned, one of the most important reasons privacy is necessary is how people - especially children - discover new aspects of their own identity, personality, and interests. Children will experiment when they think their parents aren't watching. Freedom to experiment and explore their interaction with the world is obviously very important for children, but this use of privacy never really goes away. Consider if you wanted to learn an instrument but have never played music before (or any other difficult skill). You probably want the freedom to practice badly for a while. If you had to practice knowing people were watching you, would you feel as free to experiment learning this type of skill? Problems of abuse and power are obviously very important concerns. However, I believe the chilling effect surveillance has on people will cause a major shift away from people experimenting with learning new things and exploring their hobbies will become an insidious, system damage to culture and social liberty.
xtracto 5y ago
I met an American guy around 2005 who told me something that got me to think: He did not use any "public" email service (gmail, yahoo, hotmail, etc). When I asked him why, did he believe the government could do something to him? his answer was (heavily parphrased): "It is not about what the government can to today with it, it is what the government will be able to do in the future" You may believe that your dick picks are OK now and laugh at the thought of some FBI/NSA official having to comb those on a friday afternoon. But in 10/15 years time you may be in a situation where, said official will bring your dick-picks as evidence of how since so long ago you were a crazy sex maniac.

imiric 5y ago

Not really a website, but this paper[1] breaks down and refutes the "I've got nothing to hide" argument quite well. [1]: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565

atoav 5y ago

Well my main reasons outside them are: A) Abuse. The assumption that only true, evil crimes mean surveilance technology will be used is wrong. It will be used to harass partners, exes, famous people, activists, journalists, people with the wrong skin tone etc. In fact all of this happened already. B) Power. Giving a government global surveilance capabilities also increases it's power into a realm where the government's nature will change. It will declare things being its business that were formely none of its business. It will go good for a while because our aystems change slowly, but at one point authotarians will take power and then you provided them with the perfect tool to target, assassinate, control and enforce. C) Vulnerable groups. There are certain professions and groups that enjoy protection from government spying for a good reason. If you accept surveilance for yourself, you are also accepting it for them. And the next time you might really need your client-attorny-priviledge or your doctor-patient communication to stay private, it might be too late. These are mostly "systemical" perspectives, but they are much stronger for me than "It is gross, they should not watch it".

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pdkl95 5y ago

In addition to the reason already mentioned, one of the most important reasons privacy is necessary is how people - especially children - discover new aspects of their own identity, personality, and interests. Children will experiment when they think their parents aren't watching. Freedom to experiment and explore their interaction with the world is obviously very important for children, but this use of privacy never really goes away. Consider if you wanted to learn an instrument but have never played music before (or any other difficult skill). You probably want the freedom to practice badly for a while. If you had to practice knowing people were watching you, would you feel as free to experiment learning this type of skill? Problems of abuse and power are obviously very important concerns. However, I believe the chilling effect surveillance has on people will cause a major shift away from people experimenting with learning new things and exploring their hobbies will become an insidious, system damage to culture and social liberty.

xtracto 5y ago

I met an American guy around 2005 who told me something that got me to think: He did not use any "public" email service (gmail, yahoo, hotmail, etc). When I asked him why, did he believe the government could do something to him? his answer was (heavily parphrased): "It is not about what the government can to today with it, it is what the government will be able to do in the future" You may believe that your dick picks are OK now and laugh at the thought of some FBI/NSA official having to comb those on a friday afternoon. But in 10/15 years time you may be in a situation where, said official will bring your dick-picks as evidence of how since so long ago you were a crazy sex maniac.