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I would say a place that is both so small and so riddled with sexual abuse definitely qualifies as "rather sad". I think your bias/passion for its/your heritage

I would say a place that is both so small and so riddled with sexual abuse definitely qualifies as "rather sad". I think your bias/passion for its/your heritage might be skewing your perception. If 1/3 of the male population are convicted, I would assume the realities of who partook are actually much worse.

doublec 5y ago
I'm definitely biased, I agree. I don't respond to discussions about the trials for a number of reasons. It's a sensitive issue. It brings out the worst in people. Statements like "riddled with sexual abuse" show your biases. I used to respond to such discussions in the past and I've learnt they're mostly filled with people who have a weird fascination with such events and no good comes from engaging. The trials have taken place, people charged, served their time, and the island is moving on. Just like when similar events happen in other places around the world, and then the world moves on, my belief is that the entire island shouldn't be punished for what happened for all eternity.
- void_mint 5y ago
  > Statements like "riddled with sexual abuse" show your biases. 1/3 of the male population at the time is, what I think most would agree, "riddled with". I'm certainly biased against huge populations of abusers, yes. > Just like when similar events happen in other places around the world, and then the world moves on, my belief is that the entire island shouldn't be punished for what happened for all eternity. I guess it's for each individual person to decide how long to be put off by such a (relative to the size of the population) wide-spread issue.
throwaway882021 5y ago
> If 1/3 of the male population are convicted, I would assume the realities of who partook are actually much worse. And though news articles talk about 1/3 of the males, they usually don't mention what percentage it was of the _adult_ males. According to this Guardian article[1], it was 7/12 of the men on the island (58%), and that's not including the man convicted in 2016. A meeting of women on the island consisting of "almost the entire adult female population of Pitcairn"[2] (13 women) also defended the actions as just being part of the island's way of life. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/former-pitcairn-mayor-found-guilty-over-child-pornography https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/former-pitcair... [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/growing-pitcairn-we-all-thought-sex-was-food-table-547980.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/growing...

doublec 5y ago

I'm definitely biased, I agree. I don't respond to discussions about the trials for a number of reasons. It's a sensitive issue. It brings out the worst in people. Statements like "riddled with sexual abuse" show your biases. I used to respond to such discussions in the past and I've learnt they're mostly filled with people who have a weird fascination with such events and no good comes from engaging. The trials have taken place, people charged, served their time, and the island is moving on. Just like when similar events happen in other places around the world, and then the world moves on, my belief is that the entire island shouldn't be punished for what happened for all eternity.

void_mint 5y ago
> Statements like "riddled with sexual abuse" show your biases. 1/3 of the male population at the time is, what I think most would agree, "riddled with". I'm certainly biased against huge populations of abusers, yes. > Just like when similar events happen in other places around the world, and then the world moves on, my belief is that the entire island shouldn't be punished for what happened for all eternity. I guess it's for each individual person to decide how long to be put off by such a (relative to the size of the population) wide-spread issue.

throwaway882021 5y ago

> If 1/3 of the male population are convicted, I would assume the realities of who partook are actually much worse. And though news articles talk about 1/3 of the males, they usually don't mention what percentage it was of the _adult_ males. According to this Guardian article[1], it was 7/12 of the men on the island (58%), and that's not including the man convicted in 2016. A meeting of women on the island consisting of "almost the entire adult female population of Pitcairn"[2] (13 women) also defended the actions as just being part of the island's way of life. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/former-pitcairn-mayor-found-guilty-over-child-pornography https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/former-pitcair... [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/growing-pitcairn-we-all-thought-sex-was-food-table-547980.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/growing...