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They lost my trust years ago when their software detected “me” in a photo. Why is their software analyzing and detecting things like that? It’s ludicrous.

macintux 5y ago
> They lost my trust years ago when their software detected “me” in a photo. I don't understand. Their software, running on your phone, without interacting with any servers outside your phone, identified you for your convenience. What's harmful about that?
- weikju 5y ago
  Yeah I'm confused about that statement too. From that point of view, a cron job running on a Linux system, daily, which updates the "locate" db is also a breach of trust and privacy..
  - ryantgtg 5y ago
    I was joking, of course. But what I was getting at is that I’m seeing an analog with this latest scan, in that the scanning software is now on the server where you are electing to store your photos. So, hard drive scan on your local is fine, yet hard drive scan on your remote is outrageous?
    - weikju 5y ago
      This is the case where the scanning is being moved from iCloud to local devices -- still only for photos that are set to be uploaded to iCloud of course.. for now. I think overall what bothers people is more anxiety about what comes NEXT. Sure, it's innocuous enough that photos will be scanned locally instead of remotely, in either case they are going to be shared to iCloud therefore scanned. What about once they get pressure to expand this to all photos, uploaded to iCloud or not? Other kinds of materials, not just CSAM? Add other capabilities to scan other content, not just photos? etc etc etc...
      - macintux 5y ago
        Even as a long-time fan of, and defender of, Apple, that's a very thorny concern. In the U.S., we can at least apply pressure to the politicians writing bad laws. In China, can Apple really say no to the government when they want to scan all iPhones for subversive documents?

macintux 5y ago

> They lost my trust years ago when their software detected “me” in a photo. I don't understand. Their software, running on your phone, without interacting with any servers outside your phone, identified you for your convenience. What's harmful about that?

weikju 5y ago
Yeah I'm confused about that statement too. From that point of view, a cron job running on a Linux system, daily, which updates the "locate" db is also a breach of trust and privacy..
- ryantgtg 5y ago
  I was joking, of course. But what I was getting at is that I’m seeing an analog with this latest scan, in that the scanning software is now on the server where you are electing to store your photos. So, hard drive scan on your local is fine, yet hard drive scan on your remote is outrageous?
  - weikju 5y ago
    This is the case where the scanning is being moved from iCloud to local devices -- still only for photos that are set to be uploaded to iCloud of course.. for now. I think overall what bothers people is more anxiety about what comes NEXT. Sure, it's innocuous enough that photos will be scanned locally instead of remotely, in either case they are going to be shared to iCloud therefore scanned. What about once they get pressure to expand this to all photos, uploaded to iCloud or not? Other kinds of materials, not just CSAM? Add other capabilities to scan other content, not just photos? etc etc etc...
    - macintux 5y ago
      Even as a long-time fan of, and defender of, Apple, that's a very thorny concern. In the U.S., we can at least apply pressure to the politicians writing bad laws. In China, can Apple really say no to the government when they want to scan all iPhones for subversive documents?