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I’ll be downvoted you hell for this, but I’m gonna put this out here. I’m a little concerned by the lack of concern towards the immense benefit this can have t

I’ll be downvoted you hell for this, but I’m gonna put this out here. I’m a little concerned by the lack of concern towards the immense benefit this can have towards the terrifying problem of child pornography online. If Apple wants to use this for the CCP, they will; and there’s already so many companies who are bowing to that regime. False positives will be pretty obvious in court. I...I get the privacy concerns but honestly, I’m concerned with this getting almost universally negative reaction. There’s nothing you can really say about privacy here I haven’t already read - I’m not interested in that. I know I’m going to get shit on by 99% of this community for this - but someone has to offer the opposing opinion; and I guess I’m that bitch atm. I’m here to offer an opinion I’ve surprisedly never read in the maybe dozen comment threads on HN about this I’ve seen in the past few days. As a victim of child sexual assault, I highly encourage anything that prevents that from getting worse. I’m alright with this, I understand the community’s concerns; and tbh I don’t honestly think I need to read the - what I’m aware will be - scathing - responses to this comment. Happy to just see me at -50 karma tomorrow - heh. Yes, let’s help stop child rape and pedophiles. Yes; sometimes to be serious about that we will have to take some extreme measures. Thank God those extreme measures exist. May a hell of a lot more pedophiles go to jail from this. Looking hella forward to hearing how many arrests this was responsible for in a year’s time. <3

macintux 5y ago
I don’t believe they’ve effectively expanded the CSAM portion at all. Previously they were scanning photos after being shipped to iCloud; now they’re scanning them on the device as they’re prepared to be sent. So your wish that more criminals would be caught this way is unlikely to be fulfilled.
wheybags 5y ago
> I highly encourage anything that prevents that from getting worse. This is exactly the problem. There is no end to the effective new measures we can introduce. Until everyone is living in a prison cell, there will always be more we can do, that would be demonstrably effective at reducing child abuse. There has to be a line where we say the ends don't justify the means, and for a lot of people, this exceeds that line.
daveidol 5y ago
Pedophiles will just simply move to another platform now that this is public knowledge. Why knowingly expose themselves to the risk of using Apple devices when Windows, Android, Linux, etc. exist? Unfortunately, I doubt the (obviously) good parts of this will really have much impact. But the rest of us will be stuck with the inevitable false positives, increased security attack surface, and potential for govt abuse.
- simondotau 5y ago
  > Pedophiles will just simply move to another platform I dare say Apple wouldn't consider that a loss.
  - daveidol 5y ago
    Of course. That’s not my point. My point is that it won’t be effective at actually reducing child abuse as long as there are alternatives.
    - simondotau 5y ago
      Of course. This is exactly why companies like Google, Microsoft and Apple publicly announce these systems. They know it's impossible to stop people who have sufficient technical knowledge. Given that it can't be stopped, their choice is to have nothing to do with it.
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anon86534 5y ago
I'm also a victim, and I say you're an extremely gullible, naive, low IQ, weak minded imbecile for supporting this.
akomtu 5y ago
A few crimes here and there don't justify global surveillance. By this logic, we should live in cages with ankle gps bracelets to prevent crime.

macintux 5y ago

I don’t believe they’ve effectively expanded the CSAM portion at all. Previously they were scanning photos after being shipped to iCloud; now they’re scanning them on the device as they’re prepared to be sent. So your wish that more criminals would be caught this way is unlikely to be fulfilled.

wheybags 5y ago

> I highly encourage anything that prevents that from getting worse. This is exactly the problem. There is no end to the effective new measures we can introduce. Until everyone is living in a prison cell, there will always be more we can do, that would be demonstrably effective at reducing child abuse. There has to be a line where we say the ends don't justify the means, and for a lot of people, this exceeds that line.

daveidol 5y ago

Pedophiles will just simply move to another platform now that this is public knowledge. Why knowingly expose themselves to the risk of using Apple devices when Windows, Android, Linux, etc. exist? Unfortunately, I doubt the (obviously) good parts of this will really have much impact. But the rest of us will be stuck with the inevitable false positives, increased security attack surface, and potential for govt abuse.

simondotau 5y ago
> Pedophiles will just simply move to another platform I dare say Apple wouldn't consider that a loss.
- daveidol 5y ago
  Of course. That’s not my point. My point is that it won’t be effective at actually reducing child abuse as long as there are alternatives.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    Of course. This is exactly why companies like Google, Microsoft and Apple publicly announce these systems. They know it's impossible to stop people who have sufficient technical knowledge. Given that it can't be stopped, their choice is to have nothing to do with it.

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anon86534 5y ago

I'm also a victim, and I say you're an extremely gullible, naive, low IQ, weak minded imbecile for supporting this.

akomtu 5y ago

A few crimes here and there don't justify global surveillance. By this logic, we should live in cages with ankle gps bracelets to prevent crime.