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Even if Apple backtracks on this their trust has been broken

ryantgtg 5y ago
They lost my trust years ago when their software detected “me” in a photo. Why is their software analyzing and detecting things like that? It’s ludicrous.
- macintux 5y ago
  > They lost my trust years ago when their software detected “me” in a photo. I don't understand. Their software, running on your phone, without interacting with any servers outside your phone, identified you for your convenience. What's harmful about that?
  - weikju 5y ago
    Yeah I'm confused about that statement too. From that point of view, a cron job running on a Linux system, daily, which updates the "locate" db is also a breach of trust and privacy..
    - ryantgtg 5y ago
      I was joking, of course. But what I was getting at is that I’m seeing an analog with this latest scan, in that the scanning software is now on the server where you are electing to store your photos. So, hard drive scan on your local is fine, yet hard drive scan on your remote is outrageous?
      - weikju 5y ago
        This is the case where the scanning is being moved from iCloud to local devices -- still only for photos that are set to be uploaded to iCloud of course.. for now. I think overall what bothers people is more anxiety about what comes NEXT. Sure, it's innocuous enough that photos will be scanned locally instead of remotely, in either case they are going to be shared to iCloud therefore scanned. What about once they get pressure to expand this to all photos, uploaded to iCloud or not? Other kinds of materials, not just CSAM? Add other capabilities to scan other content, not just photos? etc etc etc...
        macintux 5y ago
        Even as a long-time fan of, and defender of, Apple, that's a very thorny concern. In the U.S., we can at least apply pressure to the politicians writing bad laws. In China, can Apple really say no to the government when they want to scan all iPhones for subversive documents?
akomtu 5y ago
If Apple built houses, it would secretly install CCTV cameras while the owners were away. There would ToS that allows these "home updates". If those cameras spot furniture of unknown brand, Apple would send a crew to remove it. If the cameras notice a visitor who matches a database of untrusted persons, Apple would report the owners to police. Edit: the houses would have really nice (and patented) rounded corners.

They lost my trust years ago when their software detected “me” in a photo. Why is their software analyzing and detecting things like that? It’s ludicrous.

macintux 5y ago
> They lost my trust years ago when their software detected “me” in a photo. I don't understand. Their software, running on your phone, without interacting with any servers outside your phone, identified you for your convenience. What's harmful about that?
- weikju 5y ago
  Yeah I'm confused about that statement too. From that point of view, a cron job running on a Linux system, daily, which updates the "locate" db is also a breach of trust and privacy..
  - ryantgtg 5y ago
    I was joking, of course. But what I was getting at is that I’m seeing an analog with this latest scan, in that the scanning software is now on the server where you are electing to store your photos. So, hard drive scan on your local is fine, yet hard drive scan on your remote is outrageous?
    - weikju 5y ago
      This is the case where the scanning is being moved from iCloud to local devices -- still only for photos that are set to be uploaded to iCloud of course.. for now. I think overall what bothers people is more anxiety about what comes NEXT. Sure, it's innocuous enough that photos will be scanned locally instead of remotely, in either case they are going to be shared to iCloud therefore scanned. What about once they get pressure to expand this to all photos, uploaded to iCloud or not? Other kinds of materials, not just CSAM? Add other capabilities to scan other content, not just photos? etc etc etc...
      - macintux 5y ago
        Even as a long-time fan of, and defender of, Apple, that's a very thorny concern. In the U.S., we can at least apply pressure to the politicians writing bad laws. In China, can Apple really say no to the government when they want to scan all iPhones for subversive documents?

akomtu 5y ago

If Apple built houses, it would secretly install CCTV cameras while the owners were away. There would ToS that allows these "home updates". If those cameras spot furniture of unknown brand, Apple would send a crew to remove it. If the cameras notice a visitor who matches a database of untrusted persons, Apple would report the owners to police. Edit: the houses would have really nice (and patented) rounded corners.