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As far as I understood the problem with Captcha was and is that it is too American not in a bad sense but culturally. People coming and using the Internet from

As far as I understood the problem with Captcha was and is that it is too American not in a bad sense but culturally. People coming and using the Internet from developing countries might not be able to solve Captcha because their culture is different. I was thinking how to solve this problem and I came to the conclusion that it is very hard to design puzzle for every country in the world so I decided to put them in cultures something like Civ game but then again the whole process of solving Captcha should be easy not exhausting and time consuming. My solution was to use webcam if available and make people wave hand or some other gesture in order to verify that you are really human. You can detect webcam presence and webcam input very easily. Or if mic is present you can use mic and pronounce some sentence in order to verify that you are human. As well as webcam you can detect mic presence and mic input easily so Captcha can not be cheated by automated bots. My solution is humane input as solution to the puzzle or to the task not observing pictures and writing down the text because every computer bot can do it just as good as humans or even better. Captcha should be easy to do for humans, easy to verify but hard to solve for bots. In my opinion depressing Captcha is not the problem the problem is that bots came to the point where they are as good as humans solving Captcha but some people struggle solving Captcha because they are not familiar with American culture or simply they do not know English.

LandR 5y ago
> My solution was to use webcam if available and make people wave hand or some other gesture in order to verify that you are really human. This seems even worse to me. Wave at the camera to prove you are human... This is a whole other level of creepy above depressing captchas. I would not do this, ever.
- mrkramer 5y ago
  My solution was all about solving cultural problem of captcha as well as security by that I mean automated bots exploiting and solving captcha en masse. Ofc the service would guarantee you privacy I don't need to keep the video footage of you or the mic footage I would delete it immediately when the captcha task is solved. You would need to trust the service the same like people are trusting logless VPN providers with their sensitive internet traffic logs.
  - LandR 5y ago
    It's not the security or trust that is even the issue. Even if the footage was never recorded or deleted instantly after. Even if it was 100% anonymous and 100% guaranteed secure, it still feels like some creepy dystopian nightmare. A system like this means we've catastrophically failed with technology. It's too dehumanizing. At this point, burn it all to the ground, we're done.
    - mrkramer 5y ago
      Then how we should solve captcha problem? Captcha should be easy to do for humans, easy to verify but hard to solve for bots. It should be humane and happy. How to do it?
      - mkl 5y ago
        It's easy for a bot to provide a pre-recorded or generated video of someone waving, and pronouncing a sentence is much harder for many humans than for bots. I don't think having to prove you're human will ever be a happy experience.
        mrkramer 5y ago
        Captcha is served over browsers and browsers and websites can easily detect webcam device and process video recording. The same applies for mic and voice recording. If webcam or mic is not detected and webcam recording or mic recording was given then obviously malicious actor is trying to cheat the captcha and submit fake recording/s. Edit: You would be prompted with something like: "Wave your hand from left to right." And then video recorder would be presented to you and you would record yourself doing it and review the footage and submit it to the captcha task. The same applies to mic and voice recording. For example you would be prompted with: Please say: "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving." And then voice recorder would be presented to you and you would say it, review it and submit it in order to fulfill captcha task. I'm betting on a physical recording device that a person has not on the ability or inability of bots or an AI to come up with a human video recording or a voice recording.
BoxOfRain 5y ago
It’s not even necessarily the culture, it’s occasionally bit me as a native English speaker but not of American English. It’s a very minor annoyance on par with “colour” versus “color” when writing CSS but occasionally the automotive ones throw me off. For example, it took a captcha for me to know the central reservation is called the meridian over the Atlantic. I imagine it’s awful for people with English as a second language.
- mrkramer 5y ago
  >I imagine it’s awful for people with English as a second language. Exactly captcha is too much English oriented. I don't have anything against American English or British English but majority of people on the internet are not native English speakers anymore or are not familiar with all the words and variants/nuances of English.
  - ahrs 5y ago
    It's bad enough being a Brit and told to identify the pictures of Crosswalks. Most of the captcha use American English terms and in the UK nobody uses the term "Crosswalk", the first time I saw that specific captcha it took me a while to understand what it was asking me to identify especially since the quality of the photographs isn't particularly amazing.
- geoka9 5y ago
  Median strip?
  - BoxOfRain 5y ago
    That's the one, must be the UK autocorrect!

LandR 5y ago

> My solution was to use webcam if available and make people wave hand or some other gesture in order to verify that you are really human. This seems even worse to me. Wave at the camera to prove you are human... This is a whole other level of creepy above depressing captchas. I would not do this, ever.

mrkramer 5y ago
My solution was all about solving cultural problem of captcha as well as security by that I mean automated bots exploiting and solving captcha en masse. Ofc the service would guarantee you privacy I don't need to keep the video footage of you or the mic footage I would delete it immediately when the captcha task is solved. You would need to trust the service the same like people are trusting logless VPN providers with their sensitive internet traffic logs.
- LandR 5y ago
  It's not the security or trust that is even the issue. Even if the footage was never recorded or deleted instantly after. Even if it was 100% anonymous and 100% guaranteed secure, it still feels like some creepy dystopian nightmare. A system like this means we've catastrophically failed with technology. It's too dehumanizing. At this point, burn it all to the ground, we're done.
  - mrkramer 5y ago
    Then how we should solve captcha problem? Captcha should be easy to do for humans, easy to verify but hard to solve for bots. It should be humane and happy. How to do it?
    - mkl 5y ago
      It's easy for a bot to provide a pre-recorded or generated video of someone waving, and pronouncing a sentence is much harder for many humans than for bots. I don't think having to prove you're human will ever be a happy experience.
      - mrkramer 5y ago
        Captcha is served over browsers and browsers and websites can easily detect webcam device and process video recording. The same applies for mic and voice recording. If webcam or mic is not detected and webcam recording or mic recording was given then obviously malicious actor is trying to cheat the captcha and submit fake recording/s. Edit: You would be prompted with something like: "Wave your hand from left to right." And then video recorder would be presented to you and you would record yourself doing it and review the footage and submit it to the captcha task. The same applies to mic and voice recording. For example you would be prompted with: Please say: "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving." And then voice recorder would be presented to you and you would say it, review it and submit it in order to fulfill captcha task. I'm betting on a physical recording device that a person has not on the ability or inability of bots or an AI to come up with a human video recording or a voice recording.

BoxOfRain 5y ago

It’s not even necessarily the culture, it’s occasionally bit me as a native English speaker but not of American English. It’s a very minor annoyance on par with “colour” versus “color” when writing CSS but occasionally the automotive ones throw me off. For example, it took a captcha for me to know the central reservation is called the meridian over the Atlantic. I imagine it’s awful for people with English as a second language.

mrkramer 5y ago
>I imagine it’s awful for people with English as a second language. Exactly captcha is too much English oriented. I don't have anything against American English or British English but majority of people on the internet are not native English speakers anymore or are not familiar with all the words and variants/nuances of English.
- ahrs 5y ago
  It's bad enough being a Brit and told to identify the pictures of Crosswalks. Most of the captcha use American English terms and in the UK nobody uses the term "Crosswalk", the first time I saw that specific captcha it took me a while to understand what it was asking me to identify especially since the quality of the photographs isn't particularly amazing.
geoka9 5y ago
Median strip?
- BoxOfRain 5y ago
  That's the one, must be the UK autocorrect!