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I don't deny the system has some benefits, they just aren't benefits I will gladly give up my own freedom for nor the freedom of my fellow citizens. I don't wa

I don't deny the system has some benefits, they just aren't benefits I will gladly give up my own freedom for nor the freedom of my fellow citizens. I don't want to do away with anything; I just want "you" out of my devices, where "you" don't belong anyway and where you haven't been up to this point. (Well, you still aren't there because I don't use an iPhone, but hopefully the point is clear.) Also note that I'm not against the use of such technology in certain situations, such as in unencrypted cloud storage. Though concerns with lack of oversight exist there as well! But installing this on end user devices goes a (huge) step too far.

CSAECop 5y ago
Sorry, to clarify, you do in fact support Apple running the exact same scans on their server side CPUs? A situation that has the exact same effects on society...? Your only concern then, is with a future authoritarian policy of your own imagination?
- noptd 5y ago
  >A situation that has the exact same effects on society...? Of all your (mis)leading questions, this one sticks out the most as being of particularly bad faith.
  - CSAECop 5y ago
    Can you explain why? Commenters here are making claims about false positives, arrests of innocents, lived ruined etc. These effects are identical whether uploads are scanned before or after transmission. What are the different effects of society from scanning the upload before transmission?
- feanaro 5y ago
  Yes, but > A situation that has the exact same effects on society...? This is patently false. You do come off as arguing in bad faith, resorting to debasing any concerns of policy misuse as simply a product of the imagination of the person raising the concern. As if authoritarian policies and erosion of freedom/privacy are something completely baseless, impossible and unheard of, instead of happening all the time.
  - CSAECop 5y ago
    It's still not clear to me whether you are raising an issue with scanning client side, or your concern is actually with some other policy you expect to be implemented in future. What is the most obviously different effect on society? I don't know how anyone would even know what CPU calculated their file hash.

CSAECop 5y ago

Sorry, to clarify, you do in fact support Apple running the exact same scans on their server side CPUs? A situation that has the exact same effects on society...? Your only concern then, is with a future authoritarian policy of your own imagination?

noptd 5y ago
>A situation that has the exact same effects on society...? Of all your (mis)leading questions, this one sticks out the most as being of particularly bad faith.
- CSAECop 5y ago
  Can you explain why? Commenters here are making claims about false positives, arrests of innocents, lived ruined etc. These effects are identical whether uploads are scanned before or after transmission. What are the different effects of society from scanning the upload before transmission?
feanaro 5y ago
Yes, but > A situation that has the exact same effects on society...? This is patently false. You do come off as arguing in bad faith, resorting to debasing any concerns of policy misuse as simply a product of the imagination of the person raising the concern. As if authoritarian policies and erosion of freedom/privacy are something completely baseless, impossible and unheard of, instead of happening all the time.
- CSAECop 5y ago
  It's still not clear to me whether you are raising an issue with scanning client side, or your concern is actually with some other policy you expect to be implemented in future. What is the most obviously different effect on society? I don't know how anyone would even know what CPU calculated their file hash.