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> If it leads to widespread civil rights abuses, where are they? This is disingenuous, since up to this point these databases weren't used in systems residing
by feanaro 5y ago
> If it leads to widespread civil rights abuses, where are they?
This is disingenuous, since up to this point these databases weren't used in systems residing on end user devices, scanning their local files.
The disadvantages aren't merely "theoretical"; they just haven't materialized yet since the future does not yet exist. To ignore these obvious faults by hand-waving them as theoretical is to blatantly ignore valid concerns raised by thousands of informed citizens.
No system is perfect, but that doesn't mean there aren't some systems that simply go too far.
- CSAECop 5y agoThe distinction between scanning locally before upload, and on server after upload, is an implementation detail. The only reason Apple have done this is to allow them to implement E2EE for iCloud without hosting CSAM. All arguments relating to anything other than this are arguing against something that doesn't exist. I don't dispute that fictional proposals in the imaginations of HNers might pose a grave (fictional) threat to civil freedoms.
- feanaro 5y agoI don't really understand what you mean when you say it is an "implementation detail". It is definitely a detail of the implementation, but it is an extremely important detail that makes all of the difference. Given that it is just an implementation detail, I guess they can simply change it and then the rest of us will be at peace? I think it would do you well to see this quote: > ”Any proposal must be viewed as follows. Do not pay overly much attention to the benefits that might be delivered were the law in question to be properly enforced, rather one needs to consider the harm done by the improper enforcement of this particular piece of legislation, whatever it might be.” > -Lyndon B. Johnson