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Sounds similar in principle to the consequences of failing to complete a course of antibiotics.

by buu700 5y ago

prox 5y ago
Nope. Please read the top 2 answers in today’s askscience : https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/ozh9mi/is_the_delta_variant_a_result_of_covid_evolving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/ozh9mi/is_the_d...
- xdennis 5y ago
  A subreddit that's full of [deleted] isn't trustworthy. Unlike HN, non-admins can downvote posts they don't agree with on Reddit. A subreddit full of [deleted] indicates it's one sided.
  - prox 5y ago
    Normally perhaps. But this is askscience, which just has a high standards when it comes to answers.
    - smaryjerry 5y ago
      I’m not sure about askscience but the “science” Subreddit is completely partisan and non ruled. And the science is still changing, delta is brand new. These vaccines weren’t made for Delta at all and aren’t stopping transmission, however they do offer protection from symptomatic disease, per the CDCs own documents and new recommendation that vaccinated wear masks indoors. Per this Washington post aritcle 75 percent of new cases in highly vaccinated Singapore are in already vaccinated people, similar to the unpublished CdC internal data which made the CDC revise their mask recommendation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-gu...
  - jdavis703 5y ago
    Users with enough Karma are allowed to downvote on HN. That’s what the gray replies are.
  - jhayward 5y ago
    Your conclusion assumes bad faith on the part of the moderators. An alternative assumption is that there are strict quality guidelines that are well-enforced by good moderators.
- jhgb 5y ago
  Those responses mean that you still do get new variants without a vaccinated population. But this doesn't tell me anything about the effect of moderate partial vaccination. It might or might not be problematic but you can't infer that from what happens when there's no vaccination. In other words, "we know that A causes B, therefore C doesn't cause B" isn't valid reasoning.
  - prox 5y ago
    Simply said, inferring from those answers, the longer a virus is in a host, the more dice rolls. So the worse a partial vaccine works, the more dice rolls, but less for someone not vaccinated. On Delta, numbers are still coming in afaik (I did read something in the range of 36-high eighties for a breakthrough case in another article today, but again more data is needed)
- smaryjerry 5y ago
  The science has already changed on this just last week. the CDC now recommends vaccinated wear masks indoors again because vaccinated are transmitting the disease and “have the same viral load” as non vaccinated. I try to avoid Reddit comments as a reference because they are nothing but mob consensus and even less accountable than news articles which have an obligation to correct if found wrong. Here is a Washington post article that tells us that at least with these vaccines that vaccinated are spreading the virus. Again this is completely new recent data on Delta only, which the vaccines weren’t made for, so it’s natural actually. While, vaccines do offer protection they aren’t stopping the viral load and aren’t stopping transmission of delta. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-gu...
  - prox 5y ago
    Point taken. Askscience top comments do tend to be self correcting, usually a back and forth if something is off. It’s not the be all of information gathering indeed. In any case, we aren’t done yet when it comes down to it, if the numbers are correct.
indecisive_user 5y ago
That's actually a contested theory these days. Many doctors are now advising patients to stop taking antibiotics when they feel better. https://insightplus.mja.com.au/2015/5/stop-antibiotics-experts/ https://insightplus.mja.com.au/2015/5/stop-antibiotics-exper...
dehrmann 5y ago
My current covid theory is all the imperfect masks and imperfect lockdowns selected highly contagious variants.

Sounds similar in principle to the consequences of failing to complete a course of antibiotics.

by buu700 5y ago

Sounds similar in principle to the consequences of failing to complete a course of antibiotics.

prox 5y ago

Nope. Please read the top 2 answers in today’s askscience : https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/ozh9mi/is_the_delta_variant_a_result_of_covid_evolving/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/ozh9mi/is_the_d...

xdennis 5y ago
A subreddit that's full of [deleted] isn't trustworthy. Unlike HN, non-admins can downvote posts they don't agree with on Reddit. A subreddit full of [deleted] indicates it's one sided.
- prox 5y ago
  Normally perhaps. But this is askscience, which just has a high standards when it comes to answers.
  - smaryjerry 5y ago
    I’m not sure about askscience but the “science” Subreddit is completely partisan and non ruled. And the science is still changing, delta is brand new. These vaccines weren’t made for Delta at all and aren’t stopping transmission, however they do offer protection from symptomatic disease, per the CDCs own documents and new recommendation that vaccinated wear masks indoors. Per this Washington post aritcle 75 percent of new cases in highly vaccinated Singapore are in already vaccinated people, similar to the unpublished CdC internal data which made the CDC revise their mask recommendation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-gu...
- jdavis703 5y ago
  Users with enough Karma are allowed to downvote on HN. That’s what the gray replies are.
- jhayward 5y ago
  Your conclusion assumes bad faith on the part of the moderators. An alternative assumption is that there are strict quality guidelines that are well-enforced by good moderators.
jhgb 5y ago
Those responses mean that you still do get new variants without a vaccinated population. But this doesn't tell me anything about the effect of moderate partial vaccination. It might or might not be problematic but you can't infer that from what happens when there's no vaccination. In other words, "we know that A causes B, therefore C doesn't cause B" isn't valid reasoning.
- prox 5y ago
  Simply said, inferring from those answers, the longer a virus is in a host, the more dice rolls. So the worse a partial vaccine works, the more dice rolls, but less for someone not vaccinated. On Delta, numbers are still coming in afaik (I did read something in the range of 36-high eighties for a breakthrough case in another article today, but again more data is needed)
smaryjerry 5y ago
The science has already changed on this just last week. the CDC now recommends vaccinated wear masks indoors again because vaccinated are transmitting the disease and “have the same viral load” as non vaccinated. I try to avoid Reddit comments as a reference because they are nothing but mob consensus and even less accountable than news articles which have an obligation to correct if found wrong. Here is a Washington post article that tells us that at least with these vaccines that vaccinated are spreading the virus. Again this is completely new recent data on Delta only, which the vaccines weren’t made for, so it’s natural actually. While, vaccines do offer protection they aren’t stopping the viral load and aren’t stopping transmission of delta. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-gu...
- prox 5y ago
  Point taken. Askscience top comments do tend to be self correcting, usually a back and forth if something is off. It’s not the be all of information gathering indeed. In any case, we aren’t done yet when it comes down to it, if the numbers are correct.

indecisive_user 5y ago

That's actually a contested theory these days. Many doctors are now advising patients to stop taking antibiotics when they feel better. https://insightplus.mja.com.au/2015/5/stop-antibiotics-experts/ https://insightplus.mja.com.au/2015/5/stop-antibiotics-exper...

dehrmann 5y ago

My current covid theory is all the imperfect masks and imperfect lockdowns selected highly contagious variants.