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How machiavellian of you... I think the world has moved on from the days of letting visionaries like Job's rant and rave and yell and scream to "bring out more

How machiavellian of you... I think the world has moved on from the days of letting visionaries like Job's rant and rave and yell and scream to "bring out more in people than they knew they had in them". There are likely more effective ways to bring out the best in people that also build environments that are healthy and where people want to work.

lostlogin 5y ago
> I think the world has moved on from the days of letting visionaries like Job's rant and rave and yell and scream What evidence do you see of that?
- gigatexal 5y ago
  The fact that we are having this conversation. And if engineering wants to grow past its problems it has got to change. (edit: the previous part of this disparaged those on the spectrum and I am sorry)
  - PhasmaFelis 5y ago
    Can we not imply that "on the spectrum" means being an asshole? Autism causes a lot of social difficulties, but it has nothing to do with publicly humiliating people on purpose to make yourself feel powerful.
    - gigatexal 5y ago
      I did imply that. And it's an unfortunate consequence that sometimes those on the spectrum can exhibit "asshole" like behavior but one does not need to be autistic to be an asshole so I've made a false equivalency and I am sorry. What I was trying to get at is that all this hero worship of sociopathic myopic founders and 100x engineers who "get results" that somehow gives them license to be assholes, we've transcended that.
      - PhasmaFelis 5y ago
        I can agree with that.
    - HWR_14 5y ago
      > Can we not imply that "on the spectrum" means being an asshole? Conversely, can we also not imply that being an asshole is excusable by being "on the spectrum"?
      - gigatexal 5y ago
        Well said.
      - PhasmaFelis 5y ago
        Of course it isn't. I really hope you didn't get that from what I said.
        HWR_14 5y ago
        I was building on what you said. I didn't get that from you but from the same post you responded to.

lostlogin 5y ago

> I think the world has moved on from the days of letting visionaries like Job's rant and rave and yell and scream What evidence do you see of that?

gigatexal 5y ago
The fact that we are having this conversation. And if engineering wants to grow past its problems it has got to change. (edit: the previous part of this disparaged those on the spectrum and I am sorry)
- PhasmaFelis 5y ago
  Can we not imply that "on the spectrum" means being an asshole? Autism causes a lot of social difficulties, but it has nothing to do with publicly humiliating people on purpose to make yourself feel powerful.
  - gigatexal 5y ago
    I did imply that. And it's an unfortunate consequence that sometimes those on the spectrum can exhibit "asshole" like behavior but one does not need to be autistic to be an asshole so I've made a false equivalency and I am sorry. What I was trying to get at is that all this hero worship of sociopathic myopic founders and 100x engineers who "get results" that somehow gives them license to be assholes, we've transcended that.
    - PhasmaFelis 5y ago
      I can agree with that.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    > Can we not imply that "on the spectrum" means being an asshole? Conversely, can we also not imply that being an asshole is excusable by being "on the spectrum"?
    - gigatexal 5y ago
      Well said.
    - PhasmaFelis 5y ago
      Of course it isn't. I really hope you didn't get that from what I said.
      - HWR_14 5y ago
        I was building on what you said. I didn't get that from you but from the same post you responded to.