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Given that the Qatari regulator ordered the grounding and that Qatar Airways is state owned that seems like a pretty big conflict of interest. Especially with Q

Given that the Qatari regulator ordered the grounding and that Qatar Airways is state owned that seems like a pretty big conflict of interest. Especially with Qatar Airways refusing delivery of any more a350s until the problem is fixed (in a time of extremely low levels of international air travel).

baybal2 5y ago
Well, a good time to say Bravo to their regulator then. Imagine if the regulator, and the state airline was ran by people half of whom shared the same surname, and it happened, say, in USA.
- dathinab 5y ago
  Except that imagine the issue is non-safety related and the regulator which happens to be related to the Airline company grounded them on requests of the Airline during low traffic times to put more pressure on the manufacturer and maybe profit from higher damage payments.... (Purely speculative to give a point for the next argument.) I.e. we can't say if the regulator acted correct with safety concern or corrupt until we know what is actually going one. Just because something seems to be "proper safety orientated acting" on the first sight doesn't mean it is and neither mean it's not corrupt...
  - bdjddd77 5y ago
    I'd say this is correct. Qataris have one rule for them and another for everyone visiting or working ( the flippas, Nepalese etc), a friend is quite well connected as part of chemical supplies to oil industry, more like store at origin and broker nowadays, they live by different laws than the mere mortal (like me) passing through. You can live it large if you have the right connections - connection to above - one form of corruption doesn't exists it's systematic so yeah making the regulator act to protect a private contract condition is very plausible in qatar
    - Corinthian 5y ago
      I live in Qatar, and the Qataris are notorious for finding ways to avoid paying their bills, delaying payment for extremely long periods, or asking for unreasonable reductions. Claiming something is wrong or faulty is a common tactic, another one is to substantially expand the scope of a project, and then refuse to pay when the project inevitably runs over the original deadline. Akbar Al Baker pulled similar cons with the construction of Doha airport, demanding the project be accelerated but refusing to pay for the extra work that would be involved. Bechtel and Lindner/ Depa Interiors are two companies that spring to mind. They also suffered due to the erratic and insanely inefficient bureaucracy that is endemic in Qatar - 60-70% of Qataris "Work" in government jobs. Similar stories can be heard of tower construction in Qatar. Empty and unfinished towers littler the country due the Qataris failing to pay their dues to construction companies. This article superficially covers it: https://www.constructionweekonline.com/business/article-37759-late-payments-challenge-qatar-construction-sector https://www.constructionweekonline.com/business/article-3775...
      - bdjddd77 5y ago
        Will be interesting to see if the pill the world cup off next year with this style of bullshit.
        bdjddd77 5y ago
        The pill -> they pull. Hard enough with alcohol in the shithole never mind pills ;)
        Corinthian 5y ago
        You don't know the half of it. When they held the Asian cup, they were so concerned with the stadiums looking empty, they forced laborers to go and fill the seats. Problem is that many legitimate ticket holders were then denied entry! Of course people got angry about that, so the police saw fit to start administering beatings to people. Now image that scenario with drunken football hooligans instead!
- akiselev 5y ago
  Qatar has a population of over 2.5 million but only about 300,000 of those are native Qataris. Even if they have different last names, chances are they're somehow related.
  - bdjddd77 5y ago
    This is true, briefly thought I was in manila when doing a hotel stop over, only the hotel manager seems to be a native. Horrible country, but I'll do the gov subsided stopover frequently when travelling back and forth.
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InTheArena 5y ago
Qatar is bringing A330s out of storage and up-gauging some routes to 77Ws, which have significantly higher fuel-burn (due to more seats, and a older airframe). I doubt this is just a negotiating position.

baybal2 5y ago

Well, a good time to say Bravo to their regulator then. Imagine if the regulator, and the state airline was ran by people half of whom shared the same surname, and it happened, say, in USA.

dathinab 5y ago
Except that imagine the issue is non-safety related and the regulator which happens to be related to the Airline company grounded them on requests of the Airline during low traffic times to put more pressure on the manufacturer and maybe profit from higher damage payments.... (Purely speculative to give a point for the next argument.) I.e. we can't say if the regulator acted correct with safety concern or corrupt until we know what is actually going one. Just because something seems to be "proper safety orientated acting" on the first sight doesn't mean it is and neither mean it's not corrupt...
- bdjddd77 5y ago
  I'd say this is correct. Qataris have one rule for them and another for everyone visiting or working ( the flippas, Nepalese etc), a friend is quite well connected as part of chemical supplies to oil industry, more like store at origin and broker nowadays, they live by different laws than the mere mortal (like me) passing through. You can live it large if you have the right connections - connection to above - one form of corruption doesn't exists it's systematic so yeah making the regulator act to protect a private contract condition is very plausible in qatar
  - Corinthian 5y ago
    I live in Qatar, and the Qataris are notorious for finding ways to avoid paying their bills, delaying payment for extremely long periods, or asking for unreasonable reductions. Claiming something is wrong or faulty is a common tactic, another one is to substantially expand the scope of a project, and then refuse to pay when the project inevitably runs over the original deadline. Akbar Al Baker pulled similar cons with the construction of Doha airport, demanding the project be accelerated but refusing to pay for the extra work that would be involved. Bechtel and Lindner/ Depa Interiors are two companies that spring to mind. They also suffered due to the erratic and insanely inefficient bureaucracy that is endemic in Qatar - 60-70% of Qataris "Work" in government jobs. Similar stories can be heard of tower construction in Qatar. Empty and unfinished towers littler the country due the Qataris failing to pay their dues to construction companies. This article superficially covers it: https://www.constructionweekonline.com/business/article-37759-late-payments-challenge-qatar-construction-sector https://www.constructionweekonline.com/business/article-3775...
    - bdjddd77 5y ago
      Will be interesting to see if the pill the world cup off next year with this style of bullshit.
      - bdjddd77 5y ago
        The pill -> they pull. Hard enough with alcohol in the shithole never mind pills ;)
      - Corinthian 5y ago
        You don't know the half of it. When they held the Asian cup, they were so concerned with the stadiums looking empty, they forced laborers to go and fill the seats. Problem is that many legitimate ticket holders were then denied entry! Of course people got angry about that, so the police saw fit to start administering beatings to people. Now image that scenario with drunken football hooligans instead!
akiselev 5y ago
Qatar has a population of over 2.5 million but only about 300,000 of those are native Qataris. Even if they have different last names, chances are they're somehow related.
- bdjddd77 5y ago
  This is true, briefly thought I was in manila when doing a hotel stop over, only the hotel manager seems to be a native. Horrible country, but I'll do the gov subsided stopover frequently when travelling back and forth.

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InTheArena 5y ago

Qatar is bringing A330s out of storage and up-gauging some routes to 77Ws, which have significantly higher fuel-burn (due to more seats, and a older airframe). I doubt this is just a negotiating position.