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> You only have to look at Moxie's terrible public behavior to see what the fallout from that approach looks like. Cite Torvalds' absolutism on not breaking us

> You only have to look at Moxie's terrible public behavior to see what the fallout from that approach looks like. Cite Torvalds' absolutism on not breaking userspace, too, while you're at it.. These projects are all forwarding their missions; it's not because they listened to your criticism about being too absolutist on goals they are passionate about. The "dick measuring" you're seeing is how any niche group quickly scrambles to sift out the "truth". Geopolitics research threads, when airplanes go down mysteriously, new longboard gets released, whatever — the smartest people go back and forth with (at?) each other¹ until some form of consensus is reached, and the "herd immunity" or general knowledge of the community is improved. ¹(sometimes with far less civility than in this case!)

emptysongglass 5y ago
> about being too absolutist on goals they are passionate about. Not at all what I mean when I say I am vehemently against absolutisms on security. Any claim to superiority on security and subsequent trashing of others is rotten because it's not kind, not compassionate, not conducive to cooperation, the single greatest tool we have as humankind. We don't need more division in this space and we don't need people with a headful of their egos being affirmed for bad human behavior. There are better ways of being critical of others without being an a**hole in public. That's the thrust of my argument. We'd all do well to hold these people to a better standard of behavior.
- strcat 5y ago
  We're responding to the attacks from your community making uncalled for attacks on us and misrepresentations of GrapheneOS here. It's not us attacking you. It's plainly visible that you're the ones making attacks on us. We're countering the misinformation that's being spread with some facts, not personal attacks and insults as you're doing.

emptysongglass 5y ago

> about being too absolutist on goals they are passionate about. Not at all what I mean when I say I am vehemently against absolutisms on security. Any claim to superiority on security and subsequent trashing of others is rotten because it's not kind, not compassionate, not conducive to cooperation, the single greatest tool we have as humankind. We don't need more division in this space and we don't need people with a headful of their egos being affirmed for bad human behavior. There are better ways of being critical of others without being an a**hole in public. That's the thrust of my argument. We'd all do well to hold these people to a better standard of behavior.

strcat 5y ago
We're responding to the attacks from your community making uncalled for attacks on us and misrepresentations of GrapheneOS here. It's not us attacking you. It's plainly visible that you're the ones making attacks on us. We're countering the misinformation that's being spread with some facts, not personal attacks and insults as you're doing.